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Thread: Seanad Electoral Reform Bill 2013 to be Voted on this Thursday

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    Default Seanad Electoral Reform Bill 2013 to be Voted on this Thursday

    At 5:00pm on Thursday, Senator John Crown will propose to the Seanad during Private Members time, the Seanad Electoral Reform Bill which seeks to reform the Seanad within the confines of the Constitution.

    Among the provisions proposed in the Bill are:

    -A vote for all Irish citizens over the age of 18 at home and abroad.
    -Elections for the Seanad taking place on the same day as the General Election
    -Reforming the nominations system to allow any citizen be nominated for election
    -Extending the University Panel to graduates of all Universities and IT's

    If it were implemented, this would constitute one of the most radical and dramatic reforms within our political system.

    What do people think?

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    Waste of time. You might as well try and reconstitute a turd.
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    Abolish it. . .we don't need two talking shops (with lucrative wage and allowances)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    Abolish it. . .we don't need two talking shops (with lucrative wage and allowances)
    But is it worth abolishing the Seanad to leave behind a further unchecked Dáil and Government? This is in consideration of the fact that town councils are also set to be abolished. Are we to leave the Government without any real oversight?

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    Still an attempt to restrict the electorate to a self regarded elite. It needs to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darach View Post
    But is it worth abolishing the Seanad to leave behind a further unchecked Dáil and Government?
    The Dáil is answerable to the people, we don't need any select subset to second guess their decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darach View Post
    Are we to leave the Government without any real oversight?
    Sure that's been the case since independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darach View Post
    But is it worth abolishing the Seanad to leave behind a further unchecked Dáil and Government? This is in consideration of the fact that town councils are also set to be abolished. Are we to leave the Government without any real oversight?
    Denmark & Denmark seem to manage?

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    Darach,

    The Seanad does NOT hold the executive or the Dail to account. It can delay certain bits of legislation for a couple of weeks, only if the Government does not have a majority. In fact the last time the Government did not have a majority was during Brutons Government and even then the Government never had a bill delayed.

    Additionally, no Government in their right mind would give the Seanad sufficient power to make it truely of some use.

    Why would a directly elected Dail allow a non directly elected Seanad undermine its power or? Additonally, why in any reform should everyone not be allowed run for the Seanad?

    I realise Prof. Crown is trying to draft within the Constitution but, in reality, there is nothing legislatively that can or should be done to make the Seanad worthwhile and amending the Constitution to provide a double of the Dail is purely stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    Still an attempt to restrict the electorate to a self regarded elite. It needs to go.
    Chuckle.

    Bring it on wombat. After the last two years my indifference to the Seanad has turned to a strong belief that we need the safeguard of a reformed Seanad to provide some protection from authoritarian governments.
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