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Thread: Should children be baptised?

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    This is not going to be a "bash religion" thread, rather it questions whether the practice of infant baptism actually demeans religion through formulaic ritual, rather than observance. The practice of cultural religion, whereby the rites of christening, communion and confirmation are fulfilled, but little weekly observance occurs, is familiar, so the question should be asked whether the onus of religious education should be placed on parents, with the child then deciding upon reaching adulthood whether they formally wish to become a Catholic? A measure of the true level of religious adherence in this country would rapidly become apparent, and with the variety of multidenominational schools now available, children would gain exposure to the values of all faiths before they would make their decision.
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    This is what The Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say about it in paragraph 1261:

    "As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: 'Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,' allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism."
    Because the gospels are clear that only those are baptized in Christ can experience what is called the "Beatific Vision" i.e. meeting God himself in heaven.

    Unbaptized babies die in original sin (i.e. the sin of Adam and Eve) and end up in limbo which is not heaven but not hell either.

    Anyone who died before or after the resurrection of Christ in 33 AD and through no fault of their own never heard of Judaism or Christianity but unknowingly lived a life compatible with Christian virtue would go to limbo.

    They would not go heaven because they had not been baptized.

    According to Catholic theology in the modern world systems of communication mean most people must have heard in some form of the Catholic religion which is the one true faith so all who do not accept baptism through the Catholic rite or who reject Catholicism and convert to another religion or no faith at all are all destined for the fires of hell because they willfully rejected God's commandments.
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    that's all gobbledygook, on a par with xenu and his DC-8's

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    Its a very good question in the OP but I think that the cultural value of these events are

    very important to Irish people. I don't think they would give up christening and first

    communion and confirmation as they are looked on as family gatherings. The religious

    element is important to some but not all.

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    Sure why not if it makes the parent's happy.
    Once they reach an age of critical thinking, most will see it all for what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Sure why not if it makes the parent's happy.
    Once they reach an age of critical thinking, most will see it all for what it is.
    Catholics believe that if their child is not baptized that it risks endangering the child's immortal soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by walrusgumble View Post
    Who the hell do you and other people in society think ye are if a parent or parents choose to baptise their children at a very early age?

    It is completely none of your business to be interfering in the private and family life of any particular family. (which is protected by the Constitution and Convention, in addition to rights to religion)

    I suppose you or another poster will be suggesting that this is a form of child abuse


    A parent is entitled to decide what kind of school they want to send their children as well. Freedom of choice

    Supply and demand. If there were mor of ye types of people in Ireland , there would be no more or fewer religious schools.

    By all means let the State take over some schools, good luck with that!

    Ye are utterly obessed with the Catholic Church , it is laughable. And don't fool yourself , you are a bigot and you do have an issue with Catholism, which, you are free to not take part in.

    What the hell makes you think so many people will take up the decision to send a child to a multidenominational school , so quickly , if given the chance ?The , ha ha , Polls?

    Time will tell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitch 22 View Post
    Catholics believe that if their child is not baptized that it risks endangering the child's immortal soul.
    They also believe in pre-destination which allows God to know that the child would not be baptised, ergo, endangering the child's immortal soul.
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    I think it's more about a natural human desire to mark a major occassion like the birth of a child. I think few people these days genuinely believe in a God that would not take a child into heaven because they didn't have some magic water poured on them. I know lots of people who believe in much of what Catholcism has to say and simply don't believe that an unbaptised child is any worse off, theologically, than a baptised one.

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    Don't live in Ireland but can hear the sound of babies being thrown out with the bath water all over the shop. In order to understand European
    history, art, concept of right and wrong etc ,you have to have some knowledge of the bible and christian concepts. Ritual is also important. If you believe you should be buried,waked ,married and so on according to Christian (catholic,Protestant and dissenter) then baptized/christened according to ritual would be resonable. Personally as a very cynical recovering catholic/protestant/christian/dissenter the world would be a poorer place without christian ,Buddhist, muslim, Taoist ,Jewish etc ritual.

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