Follow @PoliticsIE
 
 
 
Page 1 of 55 123451151 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 542

Thread: Brits to Ditch European Court of Human Rights?

  1. #1
    Politics.ie Member stopdoingstuff's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    east and west
    Posts
    22,736
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default Brits to Ditch European Court of Human Rights?

    In what is quite likely to be an attempt to play to the UKIP gallery, Theresa May will announce plans to include in the Tory Manifesto for the next election a plan for the UK to quit the European Court of Human Rights. The body based in Strasbourg and not to be confused with the ECJ has judges from each signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights, and it seems that the British are not overly impressed with some of the court's decisions.
    The totally impartial and disinterested Daily Mail writes:
    A great day for British justice: Theresa May vows to take UK out of the European Court of Human Rights | Mail Online

    The European Convention has led to such hugely controversial decisions as banning the deportation of radical cleric Abu Qatada and giving British prisoners the right to vote.
    Mrs May’s bold proposals to include the move in the next Tory Election manifesto reflect the party’s growing hostility towards Europe. If enacted, her policy would leave British judges free to interpret the law without interference from the Strasbourg-based European Court of Human Rights (ECHR).
    Mrs May wants to withdraw from the convention before the next Election in 2015, but Liberal Democrat Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, a keen pro-European, has made it clear he will veto the initiative.
    As a result, it is set to be a manifesto promise to be put into action if David Cameron wins an overall majority.
    Together with the Prime Minister’s vow to hold a referendum on Britain’s membership of the EU, it will give the Tory manifesto a strong anti-European theme to combat the increasing appeal of UKIP.
    The provisions of the European convention are already enshrined in British law in the Human Rights Act – but under Mrs May’s plan, the final right of appeal would be to the British Supreme Court, not Strasbourg.

    Will this actually happen even if the Tories get an overall majority? What is the significance of the proposal and what will the political reaction be? What are the peos and cons? Is this reassertion of national sovereignty a good or bad thing?
    Faoi mhóid bheith saor

  2. #2
    Politics.ie Member Ulster-Lad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Dún na nGall
    Posts
    10,090
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Good on them. Any luck at all and we will follow suit. But, this is being dangled in front of them if the Tories are re-elected (along with a In-Out referendum)?
    ‘The Great only appear great because we are on our knees: Let Us Rise!’ “ (James Larkin)

  3. #3
    Politics.ie Member statsman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    54,542
    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    Good on them. Any luck at all and we will follow suit. But, this is being dangled in front of them if the Tories are re-elected (along with a In-Out referendum)?
    Not fond of human rights, then?
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

  4. #4
    Politics.ie Member corelli's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2007
    Posts
    4,522
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    A couple of points.

    It seems lost on May that the Convention was drafted by a TORY lawyer.

    Additonally, and this never fails, she won't or more likely cannot, spell out which exact provisions or rights in the convention are wrong.

    I dare anyone to do so in any kind of cogent manner.
    "......... we must sometimes listen to those who, consumed with zeal, have scant judgment or balance. To such ones the modern world is nothing but betrayal and ruin.........We feel bound to disagree with these prophets of doom who are forever forecasting calamity -- as though the world's end were imminent."

  5. #5
    Politics.ie Member SilverSpurs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    One foot in and one foot out
    Posts
    5,543
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    In what is quite likely to be an attempt to play to the UKIP gallery, Theresa May will announce plans to include in the Tory Manifesto for the next election a plan for the UK to quit the European Court of Human Rights. The body based in Strasbourg and not to be confused with the ECJ has judges from each signatory of the European Convention on Human Rights, and it seems that the British are not overly impressed with some of the court's decisions.
    The totally impartial and disinterested Daily Mail writes:
    A great day for British justice: Theresa May vows to take UK out of the European Court of Human Rights | Mail Online



    Will this actually happen even if the Tories get an overall majority? What is the significance of the proposal and what will the political reaction be? What are the peos and cons? Is this reassertion of national sovereignty a good or bad thing?
    They should not totally withdraw from the convention just place legal limits on it's application so it is merely a name and shame court. The CoE and the ECHR were and are noble ideals that were hijacked by socialists to impose their agenda.

  6. #6
    Politics.ie Member Ulster-Lad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Dún na nGall
    Posts
    10,090
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    Not fond of human rights, then?
    Of course I am. I am not fond of the abuse of the interpretation of what a "Human Right" is by this court.
    ‘The Great only appear great because we are on our knees: Let Us Rise!’ “ (James Larkin)

  7. #7
    Politics.ie Member tigerben's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    Midleton
    Posts
    4,621
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    I can't see us keeping it if Britain goes out. The people they are trying to expell will move here , try and get Irish citizenship and move back , instead of us transporting our problems to them it will acually be us getting their problems. The ECHRs is all for the criminals ,law breakers and so. It's gone way pass human rights as what was invisaged.

  8. #8
    Politics.ie Member statsman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Here
    Posts
    54,542
    Mentioned
    8 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulster-Lad View Post
    Of course I am. I am not fond of the abuse of the interpretation of what a "Human Right" is by this court.
    So, who should decide what rights people have?

    If you leave it to individual governments it's wide open to abuse.
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

  9. #9
    Politics.ie Member Ulster-Lad's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Dún na nGall
    Posts
    10,090
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    So, who should decide what rights people have?

    If you leave it to individual governments it's wide open to abuse.
    Who ended up having to decide Pamalagate and at what cost? There are dozens of examples of abuse here.
    ‘The Great only appear great because we are on our knees: Let Us Rise!’ “ (James Larkin)

  10. #10
    Politics.ie Member SilverSpurs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    One foot in and one foot out
    Posts
    5,543
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    So, who should decide what rights people have?

    If you leave it to individual governments it's wide open to abuse.
    The libertarian no-harm/non-violence principle would be a good place to start imo.

Page 1 of 55 123451151 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •