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    Default Fluoridation Debate Dail 27/02/2013 with Shane Ross



    Worth watching. Shane Ross comes across well.

    Note at 7:50 the Labour defender of water flouridation let slip that water flouridation at current levels actually damages teeth.

    This will have to go to court to get it removed from the water supply.

    A woman in kerry is taking a case this year, I hope a TD joins the case, in case the judge tells the lady she doesnt have "standing".
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    thanks for that, will watch it tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post


    Worth watching. Shane Ross comes across well.

    Note at 7:50 the Labour defender of water flouridation let slip that water flouridation at current levels actually damages teeth.

    This will have to go to court to get it removed from the water supply.

    A woman in kerry is taking a case this year, I hope a TD joins the case, in case the judge tells the lady she doesnt have "standing".
    Indeed. A classy 'Republic' alright. You have the right to pay tax/drink the fluoride but not to legally challenge the tax/the fluoridation.
    Fianna Fail - The Anti Democratic Party & The Anti Constitutional Party. Traitors of Irishmen and Irishwomen.

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    Odd that they never gave the figures for flouridosis which in children in the US have been noted to be as high as 20%, considering childhood obesity is 17%, and there is such concern about this, I think this deserves equal consideration. Also, (just an odd fact), a study in china in the 90's highlighted the relation between domestic and industrial burning of coal and higher enviornmental flouride, in foodstuffs etc (will link if necessary). So it would seem that the when calculating the mean consumption of flouride in this country, a few more factors have to be taken into consideration.

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    This is the report by Declan Waugh on the impact of adding fluorosilicic acid to the water supply referenced in the hotpress article and by Shane Ross,

    http://www.enviro.ie/Human%20Toxicit...20Services.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by chef35 View Post
    Odd that they never gave the figures for flouridosis which in children in the US have been noted to be as high as 20%, considering childhood obesity is 17%, and there is such concern about this, I think this deserves equal consideration. Also, (just an odd fact), a study in china in the 90's highlighted the relation between domestic and industrial burning of coal and higher enviornmental flouride, in foodstuffs etc (will link if necessary). So it would seem that the when calculating the mean consumption of flouride in this country, a few more factors have to be taken into consideration.
    Should the State compensate people who got flouridosis from drinking water?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IbrahaimMohamad View Post
    Should the State compensate people who got flouridosis from drinking water?
    It may be necessary to bring some test cases to 'encourage', it's discontinuation, but with regard to compensation, flourosis was always a known side-effect of flouridation, so imo, no.

    Interestingly, an irish study of flourosis in 8 year olds across europe found it's prevalence in Cork to be as high as 61%.

    A comparison of the prevalence of fluorosis in 8-year-old children from seven European study sites using a standardized methodology | Irish Child Health Database | Department of Health and Children

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    A woman in kerry is taking a case this year, I hope a TD joins the case, in case the judge tells the lady she doesnt have "standing".
    There won't be any problem with "standing", because every citizen is affected by fluoridation. More to the point though, I hope she has money to pay her legal advisors and maybe whoever she's suing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Telemachus View Post
    This is the report by Declan Waugh on the impact of adding fluorosilicic acid to the water supply referenced in the hotpress article and by Shane Ross,

    http://www.enviro.ie/Human%20Toxicit...20Services.pdf
    It is a simple matter really. It is morally repugnant to force medicate people. Twist and spin but this will not go away. As it happens it is also the official reason given in many European countries as to why flouridation of the water supply is not practised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef35 View Post
    It may be necessary to bring some test cases to 'encourage', it's discontinuation, but with regard to compensation, flourosis was always a known side-effect of flouridation, so imo, no.

    Interestingly, an irish study of flourosis in 8 year olds across europe found it's prevalence in Cork to be as high as 61%.

    A comparison of the prevalence of fluorosis in 8-year-old children from seven European study sites using a standardized methodology | Irish Child Health Database | Department of Health and Children
    Surely Flourosis is more likely when EPA flouride limits are being exceeded?

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