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    Great article here by Shay Dunphy on how the immigrant Irish built a political bastion out of Tammany hall in New York. The cynic in me says that the Irish brought their affinity for secret societies, violent electoral fraud and aversion to real social reform with us across the Atlantic. The likes of Richard 'Boss' Corker was interested only in getting re-elected and not with such trifles as workers' rights (at this time New York was an industrial city and most Irish were workers), tenants' rights or slum housing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD66 View Post
    the Irish brought their affinity for secret societies, violent electoral fraud and aversion to real social reform with us across the Atlantic.
    You mean they were Orangemen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    You mean they were Orangemen?
    Worse, Hibernians! (Basically the same thing)

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    My seminal texts here would include Noel Ignatiev's How the Irish Became White.

    The whole history of Tammany (see Gustavus Myers for the spadework, back in 1901, expanded in 1917) was based in corruption long before it became the base of immigrant Irish power and patronage in NYC, long before it was the creature of Boss Tweed, his cronies and acolytes.

    May I be allowed to note that Tammany was corrupt from the very start: allegedly the Society of St Tammany was founded on 12th May 1789 by William Mooney, upholsterer of 23 Nassau Street, NYC, known to be a deserter from the revolutionary Army and believed to have taken the King's shilling thereafter. Mooney came to prominence in large part because he dressed the upholsterers' float in the 1788 Constitutional parade — and then traded on the fame it brought him.

    The 1811 foundation stone of Tammany Hall (corner of Park Row and Frankfort Street) announces that Mooney was the founder and first Sachem. In fact, the Tammany Society of New York was the latest of a whole slew of 'nativist' Tammany Societies — the "father house" was in Philadelphia — and was brought to NYC by John Pintard, "merchant, philanthropist and scholar". Pintard was a bankrupt from New Jersey, who crossed the Hudson, made good, and became a leading light in establishing the New York Historical Society — his papers are in the Society's archives at 170 Central Park West).

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    "The likes of Richard 'Boss' Corker was interested only in getting re-elected and not with such trifles"

    Ah so that's where Obama gets it from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    You mean they were Orangemen?

    *coughs*

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    There has been a strange trend between Irish American and the Oul Sod down through the years which stems all the way from Tammany Hall.

    Judge Daniel F. Cohalan who was Grand Sachem of Tammany Hall from 1908 to 1911 and John Devoy opposed Eamon De Valera when he arrived in America in 1919 to fund raise and seek support for the declared Irish Republic.
    De Valera of course had taken over the republican leadership after Pearse and Casement who had been in close contact with Cohalan and Devoy were executed after the 1916 Rising.
    Cohalan and Devoy had sought German assistance for the Irish Volunteers but toned down their pro-German views after the Democrat President Wilson led America in World War I in 1917.
    Cohalan and Devoy sought to persuade President Wilson and the Democratic Party to instead recognize the Irish Republic under Wilson's Fourteen Points. The split meant that most Irish Americans backed De Valera and denied their support for Wilson their support in the 1920 President election.
    Devoy supported the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1922 and the Irish Free State and when he died in 1928 his body was buried in Glasnevin Cemetary.
    Joseph McGarrity was the key ally of De Valera versus Cohalan and Devoy and he became the leader of the American Association for the Recognition of the Irish Republic.
    He opposed the Treaty in 1922 and supported the pro-Nazi IRA during World War 2 after earlier falling out with De Valera when Fianna Fáil entered Dáil Éireann.
    There was a strong anti-British sentiment in the Democratic Party which was fueled by working class Irish Americans, German Americans and Italian Americans who still had strong contacts with nationalists in their old countries. All three communities were also virulently anti-Semitic in the 1930s.
    It is no accident that both American Ambassador to Britain Joseph P. Kennedy was opposed to aid to Britain in 1940 and Charles Lindbergh were against American participation until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
    After the Troubles broke out Ted Kennedy lobbied Jimmy Carter to ban U.S. weapons sales to the RUC and he and other leading Democrats opening supported a British pull out from Northern Ireland at a time when the Republic of Ireland was jailing members of the IRA for shooting Gardaí.
    The Republican Senator Peter T. King who courts the support of conservative Irish American Catholic once openly supported the IRA and even compared Gerry Adams to George Washington.
    This went completely against the majority of nationalist opinion in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland at the time where support for physical force republicanism was confined to a minority.
    Conservative Catholic Irish Americans were fed an Irish nationalist line by Sinn Féin propagandists who were supportive of the Soviet Union, establishing a Marxist state and took guns from Gaddaffi who blew up a U.S. Panam airliner.
    However after 9/11 while Shinners were comparing George W. Bush to Hitler, King openly supported the Iraq War and praised the killing of Bin Laden and supports cracking down on Muslim fundamentalists.
    Many hardline Irish republicans support the Palestinians, hope the Americans are defeated in Afghanistan and will tell you America got what it deserved on 9/11 while if you said the same thing to working class Irish Americans they would kick your head in.

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    Always been fascinated by Tammany Hall.

    The shenanigans that both parties in America got up to was out and out gangsterism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitch 22 View Post
    There has been a strange trend between Irish American and the Oul Sod down through the years which stems all the way from Tammany Hall.

    Judge Daniel F. Cohalan who was Grand Sachem of Tammany Hall from 1908 to 1911 and John Devoy opposed Eamon De Valera when he arrived in America in 1919 to fund raise and seek support for the declared Irish Republic.
    De Valera of course had taken over the republican leadership after Pearse and Casement who had been in close contact with Cohalan and Devoy were executed after the 1916 Rising.


    Cohalan and Devoy had sought German assistance for the Irish Volunteers but toned down their pro-German views after the Democrat President Wilson led America in World War I in 1917.
    Cohalan and Devoy sought to persuade President Wilson and the Democratic Party to instead recognize the Irish Republic under Wilson's Fourteen Points. The split meant that most Irish Americans backed De Valera and denied their support for Wilson their support in the 1920 President election.
    Devoy supported the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1922 and the Irish Free State and when he died in 1928 his body was buried in Glasnevin Cemetary


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    Joseph McGarrity was the key ally of De Valera versus Cohalan and Devoy and he became the leader of the American Association for the Recognition of the Irish Republic.
    He opposed the Treaty in 1922 and supported the pro-Nazi IRA during World War 2 after earlier falling out with De Valera when Fianna Fáil entered Dáil Éireann.
    There was a strong anti-British sentiment in the Democratic Party which was fueled by working class Irish Americans, German Americans and Italian Americans who still had strong contacts with nationalists in their old countries. All three communities were also virulently anti-Semitic in the 1930s.
    It is no accident that both American Ambassador to Britain Joseph P. Kennedy was opposed to aid to Britain in 1940 and Charles Lindbergh were against American participation until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
    After the Troubles broke out Ted Kennedy lobbied Jimmy Carter to ban U.S. weapons sales to the RUC and he and other leading Democrats opening supported a British pull out from Northern Ireland at a time when the Republic of Ireland was jailing members of the IRA for shooting Gardaí.


    The Republican Senator Peter T. King once openly supported the IRA and even compared Gerry Adams to George Washington.
    These went completely against the majority of nationalist opinion in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland at the time where support for physical force republicanism was confined to a minority.
    Conservative Catholic Irish Americans were fed an Irish nationalist line by Sinn Féin propagandists who were supportive of the Soviet Union, establishing a Marxist state and took guns from Gaddaffi who blew up a U.S. Panam airliner.
    However after 9/11 while Shinners were comparing George W. Bush to Hitler, King openly supported the Iraq War and praised the killing of Bin Laden and supports cracking down on Muslim fundamentalists.
    Britain operated death squads - ''97% of the Loyalists I interviewed were working directly for the State.'' - Nuala O'Loan. #FreeAhedTamimi

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitch 22 View Post
    There has been a strange trend between Irish American and the Oul Sod down through the years which stems all the way from Tammany Hall.

    Judge Daniel F. Cohalan who was Grand Sachem of Tammany Hall from 1908 to 1911 and John Devoy opposed Eamon De Valera when he arrived in America in 1919 to fund raise and seek support for the declared Irish Republic.
    De Valera of course had taken over the republican leadership after Pearse and Casement who had been in close contact with Cohalan and Devoy were executed after the 1916 Rising.
    Cohalan and Devoy had sought German assistance for the Irish Volunteers but toned down their pro-German views after the Democrat President Wilson led America in World War I in 1917.
    Cohalan and Devoy sought to persuade President Wilson and the Democratic Party to instead recognize the Irish Republic under Wilson's Fourteen Points. The split meant that most Irish Americans backed De Valera and denied their support for Wilson their support in the 1920 President election.
    Devoy supported the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1922 and the Irish Free State and when he died in 1928 his body was buried in Glasnevin Cemetary.
    Joseph McGarrity was the key ally of De Valera versus Cohalan and Devoy and he became the leader of the American Association for the Recognition of the Irish Republic.
    He opposed the Treaty in 1922 and supported the pro-Nazi IRA during World War 2 after earlier falling out with De Valera when Fianna Fáil entered Dáil Éireann.
    There was a strong anti-British sentiment in the Democratic Party which was fueled by working class Irish Americans, German Americans and Italian Americans who still had strong contacts with nationalists in their old countries. All three communities were also virulently anti-Semitic in the 1930s.
    It is no accident that both American Ambassador to Britain Joseph P. Kennedy was opposed to aid to Britain in 1940 and Charles Lindbergh were against American participation until the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.
    After the Troubles broke out Ted Kennedy lobbied Jimmy Carter to ban U.S. weapons sales to the RUC and he and other leading Democrats opening supported a British pull out from Northern Ireland at a time when the Republic of Ireland was jailing members of the IRA for shooting Gardaí.
    The Republican Senator Peter T. King who courts the support of conservative Irish American Catholic once openly supported the IRA and even compared Gerry Adams to George Washington.
    This went completely against the majority of nationalist opinion in Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland at the time where support for physical force republicanism was confined to a minority.
    Conservative Catholic Irish Americans were fed an Irish nationalist line by Sinn Féin propagandists who were supportive of the Soviet Union, establishing a Marxist state and took guns from Gaddaffi who blew up a U.S. Panam airliner.
    However after 9/11 while Shinners were comparing George W. Bush to Hitler, King openly supported the Iraq War and praised the killing of Bin Laden and supports cracking down on Muslim fundamentalists.
    Many hardline Irish republicans support the Palestinians, hope the Americans are defeated in Afghanistan and will tell you America got what it deserved on 9/11 while if you said the same thing to working class Irish Americans they would kick your head in.
    Tammany Hall and Clan na Gael/ NORAID are are two very different subjects.

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