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Thread: Croke Park 2: a done deal

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    Default Croke Park 2: a done deal

    The deal is done, if Ingrid Miley is to be believed:

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    #crokepark deal done - pay cuts for high paid range from 5.5 pc above 65k to 10 pc above 185k. Sunday prem te And 3/4 - twilight abolished
    It looks like the pain is targeted at the top earners, at least to some degree. Can this deal be made stick. I'm hoping it can, but I'm not too optimistic. Will union members back the leadership on this one?

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    More info here:

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0225/369441-croke-park/

    Deal to run from 2013-2016, if agreed.
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    The Unions have no choice. Either they agree or the government does it anyway. This should have been done 3 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    The Unions have no choice. Either they agree or the government does it anyway. This should have been done 3 years ago.
    I agree that there is no realistic choice, but will there have to be some kind of token backlash before we move on?
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    10% above 185K??

    Laughable. It should be 50% imho.

    The state is bankrupt remember?
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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    I agree that there is no realistic choice, but will there have to be some kind of token backlash before we move on?
    It will be interesting to see if the membership are as badly off as they claim - can't afford cuts to OT rates but no problem going on strike for a month?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    It will be interesting to see if the membership are as badly off as they claim - can't afford cuts to OT rates but no problem going on strike for a month?
    People go on strike knowing they will be worse off for a period in the hope for better things if they win. That's really not the issue. The issue is that they can't win in this instance.
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    Howlin confirms Croke Park deal file given to unions for consideration | BreakingNews.ie

    The minister for Public Expenditure and Reform, Brendan Howlin, has confirmed that a document proposing €1bn worth of cuts to the public sector has been handed over to unions.

    The unions will now consider the document, before deciding whether or not they agree with it.
    Not a done deal yet apparently. We must remember that 4 of the Unions walked out of the talks last night as well.
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    This is good news.

    10% for people above 185 K seems a modest enough reduction, though.

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    Token cuts all around as expected. The protected remain untouched by the reality of the situation we are in. Let the spin begin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statsman View Post
    I agree that there is no realistic choice, but will there have to be some kind of token backlash before we move on?
    The unions are going to have a hard time attacking a deal where the headline is that those on 65k are taking the big hit.
    No way they will go on a real strike. They know they are getting an amazing deal from Labour.

    But yes, there'll be some kind of token backlash. They'll have to hide their smiles somehow.

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