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Thread: Should Fine Gael and Labour merge as a Social Democratic Party?

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    Default Should Fine Gael and Labour merge as a Social Democratic Party?

    Though not unique among European legislatures, Ireland is one of the few countries within Europe to lack a party subscribing to the tenets of social liberalism. In many respects, Labour comes closest to equating to a Liberal Democrat -style movement, due to its preoccupation with social reform, though elements within FG have also shown liberal strains in the past, as evident through Declan Costello's "Just Society" and the Garret Fitzgerald wing of the party in the Eighties and early Nineties. The current discussions concerning abortion and gay marriage give Government TDs of similar opinion an opportunity to recast the political landscape and thus transform the electoral dynamic. By creating a large liberal centre, the putative SDP would force FF to stick its head above the parapet and firmly nail its colours to the conservative mast. Similarly, Sinn Féin and the ULA would scrap it out for the left-wing vote, forcing both parties to abandon "opposition for opposition's sake" in favour of defined principle. Finally, by effectively moving to a three-party system, a clear definition of policy options would reduce public cynicism and/or apathy surrounding modern politics.
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    Simple answer no.

    There are no parties in Ireland that even come close to being a social democrat party.

    Also no one in Ireland would vote for such a party as they favour long term planning and development of a country, which is the complete opposite of what FG, FF, Labour and Sinn Fein do.

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    No.

    Labour should plough its own furrow, and if there is anyone in Fine Gael with social democratic instincts (there are few enough of them these days), they should apply for membership.

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    Fine Gael is not social democrat at all and labour's actions speak of them not being social democrats either.
    Why would two non social democrat parties join to become a social democratic party?

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    They should both join up together with FF and form a bank bondholder party.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    They should both join up together with FF and form a bank bondholder party.
    Are you actually advocating honesty in Irish politics?

    In Ireland that is probably viewed as worse than blasphemy

    If FF, FG and Labour Joined together they could call defintely themselves the bank bondholder party.

    Then again if FF, FG, SF and Labour where to join together they could call themselves the protection racket. That really would be a political party with clout (literally), that could collect tax or knee cap you while delivering less services, make people pay more tax, etc, etc.

    Don't give an of the cute heurs ideas

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    This silly topic again. The last time this was in any way seriously suggested was back when Michael Noonan was leading FG and trying to impress the Irish Times by calling himself a social democrat. That all worked out well.

    FG are now at their most traditionally conservative since the Cosgrave days of the 70s. The mongrel foxes have been well and truly rooted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloatingVoterTralee View Post
    Though not unique among European legislatures, Ireland is one of the few countries within Europe to lack a party subscribing to the tenets of social liberalism. In many respects, Labour comes closest to equating to a Liberal Democrat -style movement, due to its preoccupation with social reform, though elements within FG have also shown liberal strains in the past, as evident through Declan Costello's "Just Society" and the Garret Fitzgerald wing of the party in the Eighties and early Nineties. The current discussions concerning abortion and gay marriage give Government TDs of similar opinion an opportunity to recast the political landscape and thus transform the electoral dynamic. By creating a large liberal centre, the putative SDP would force FF to stick its head above the parapet and firmly nail its colours to the conservative mast. Similarly, Sinn Féin and the ULA would scrap it out for the left-wing vote, forcing both parties to abandon "opposition for opposition's sake" in favour of defined principle. Finally, by effectively moving to a three-party system, a clear definition of policy options would reduce public cynicism and/or apathy surrounding modern politics.
    This nearly happened in the late 1960s but didn't and I don't see it happening now. There are differences between FG and Labour. FG want to cut more Labour want to tax more. FG are generally more conservative on social issues(Yes I know abortion is coming in) while Labour are more liberal on social issues being pro abortion and pro gay marriage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RahenyFG View Post
    This nearly happened in the late 1960s ...
    Wha'? When? How?

    Around the time of "the seventies will be socialist"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloatingVoterTralee View Post
    By creating a large liberal centre, the putative SDP would force FF to stick its head above the parapet and firmly nail its colours to the conservative mast.
    Not entirely as FF are a centrist 'catch all' party that does not have one definite ideology.
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