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    Current polls have Fianna Fáil as the state's most popular party and if such polls were to happen in an election, Fianna Fáil would most likely be back in government. The question I ask is, has Fianna Fáil learned from their past mistakes? The mistakes that caught up with them and was the reason for their heavy defeat in the 2011 election.

    -The economic mismanagement of the country's finances

    -The indulgences they gave themselves in government like huge pay rises, Bertie Ahern becoming one of the World's highest earning heads of government in 2007 even earning more than the US president. The pay rises for TDs and ministers and the gold plated pensions for retiring ministers who took full advantage of this in the last Dáil.

    -Their lack of touch from reality. The mercs pulling into a cabinet meeting in 2010 while the ordinary people of the country were(and still are) suffering financial burdens. Bertie Ahern's comment on economic pessimists in 2007, before the bust, to kill themselves.

    -The lies that were told to the public. Lenihan's 'cheapest bailout' remark and most damning of all Noel Dempsey and Dermot Ahern telling the people on TV that discussions on a possible bailout were 'fictional'.

    -The cosy relationship with business people and vested interests that blurred government policy.

    And I'm sure others will have more to come up with it. All I can think of for now. Michael Martin may have issued an apology for FF's mistakes upon becoming leader but do you the public believe they have learned from their mistakes? And do FF members genuinely feel they have learned from the past and won't repeat the same mistakes in the future?
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    No irresponsible populism is in Fianna Fail's cultural DNA, they bankrupted the country on 4 previous occasions and if they get back into government again they will bankrupt Ireland for a 5th time. If they get back into government in 2016 they will bankrupt Ireland either by the early 2020's or by the mid 2020's.

    Tax and spend socialism is the FF mantra.
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    They have a former cabinet Minister as head of FFnua. If it quacks like a duck....
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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    They made no mistakes, it was all due to Lehmans

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    Quote Originally Posted by RahenyFG View Post
    Current polls have Fianna Fáil as the state's most popular party and if such polls were to happen in an election, Fianna Fáil would most likely be back in government. The question I ask is, has Fianna Fáil learned from their past mistakes? The mistakes that caught up with them and was the reason for their heavy defeat in the 2011 election.

    -The economic mismanagement of the country's finances

    -The indulgences they gave themselves in government like huge pay rises, Bertie Ahern becoming one of the World's highest earning heads of government in 2007 even earning more than the US president. The pay rises for TDs and ministers and the gold plated pensions for retiring ministers who took full advantage of this in the last Dáil.

    -Their lack of touch from reality. The mercs pulling into a cabinet meeting in 2010 while the ordinary people of the country were(and still are) suffering financial burdens. Bertie Ahern's comment on economic pessimists in 2007, before the bust, to kill themselves.

    -The lies that were told to the public. Lenihan's 'cheapest bailout' remark and most damning of all Noel Dempsey and Dermot Ahern telling the people on TV that discussions on a possible bailout were 'fictional'.

    -The cosy relationship with business people and vested interests that blurred government policy.

    And I'm sure others will have more to come up with it. All I can think of for now. Michael Martin may have issued an apology for FF's mistakes upon becoming leader but do you the public believe they have learned from their mistakes? And do FF members genuinely feel they have learned from the past and won't repeat the same mistakes in the future?
    You should learn from everything you do, the good stuff and the bad, so I don't see why not.

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    Two words explain the answer to this one.

    Michael Martin.

    In other words, they haven't.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    1,197 people agree with me.. how many agree with you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonic View Post
    You should learn from everything you do, the good stuff and the bad, so I don't see why not.
    The thing is.. ye haven't learned a thing, because ye haven't accepted it was all ye're fault in the first place
    1,197 people agree with me.. how many agree with you ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    They made no mistakes, it was all due to Lehmans
    Ah now they made a few over the years and Lehmans certainly wouldn't have helped, that is if Lehmans any effect at all, which apparently in Ireland, it didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Two words explain the answer to this one.

    Michael Martin.

    In other words, they haven't.
    They really should have skipped a generation and a member of the 'disastrous' cabinet and gone for someone from the Ogra FF generation.
    I have closed down this account, I am now The Rahenyite.

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