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Thread: Are FF the most 'Catholic' of the major parties?

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    Default Are FF the most 'Catholic' of the major parties?

    While it is never really conclusively said in the media, I think there are enough examples to say that the ties of FF to Catholicism, are argubaly stronger than that of the other parties:

    1. The general crossover of modern republicanism with catholicism, and FF being the branded 'republican' party

    2. The 'advice' given by JC Mcquaid to De Valera on the drafting of the 1937 Constitution, along with a very close working relationship between the two men

    3. On this site, the majority of staunch 'pro-life' people who like to use terminology like 'baby killers' for those with a different view, have either FF avatars, or are 'closet' supporters.

    4. Michael Woods - rumoured to be a member of Opus Dei - controversial compensation deal with the Cathoic Church on institutional abuse, while a Minister.

    5. Dermot Ahern introducing a 'blasphemy law', while Minister for Justice

    Are the others steeped to the same degree in conservative catholicism?

    FG A mainly conservative party, but also one with a noticeable social democrat wing, over the years. Won the 'protestant' vote, over the years.
    Labour Pro Abortion, pro gay rights, among other things.
    SF Younger members tend to be left of centre.

    Micheal Martin is obviously trying his best to market his party, as one for modern 21st c Ireland. But, some of the examples I have used are way too recent, to be able to get the feeling that FF has completely cut itself off from this thinking.

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    As long as it remains in their interests, the answer is yes.

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    They may become so by default, if the govt. get the abortion law wrong (from a political view).

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    The most treacherous? Definitely.
    You'll never go broke appealing to the lowest common denominator.

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    I would say FG is more Catholic. FF like everything else including Republicanism plays lip service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ne0ica View Post
    I would say FG is more Catholic. FF like everything else including Republicanism plays lip service.
    How are they?

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    Is anyone in Ireland Catholic anymore, never mind Christian?

    If we were to classify our outlook we should be protestant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    They may become so by default, if the govt. get the abortion law wrong (from a political view).
    If FG get the abortion law right and Fianna Fáil oppose them, then Fianna Fáil will inevitably become the Christian Solidarity Party lite.

    There is no long-term future in that particular niche. Attaching itself to a dying conservative and grey vote will seal the fate of Fianna Fáil. That said, Fianna Fáil are short-termist enough to let that happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    If FG get the abortion law right and Fianna Fáil oppose them, then Fianna Fáil will inevitably become the Christian Solidarity Party lite.

    There is no long-term future in that particular niche. Attaching itself to a dying conservative and grey vote will seal the fate of Fianna Fáil. That said, Fianna Fáil are short-termist enough to let that happen.
    Don't forget that taking this stance can win FF many new votes with recent citizens, many of whom attend places of worship on a weekly basis. Younger, more liberal people, are leaving the country in big numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    There is no long-term future in that particular niche. Attaching itself to a dying conservative and grey vote will seal the fate of Fianna Fáil. That said, Fianna Fáil are short-termist enough to let that happen.
    You obviously are not actively involved with a political party, the next election is considered long term planning.

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