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Thread: Flegs and Border Polls, Smoke and Mirrors*

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    Default Flegs and Border Polls, Smoke and Mirrors*

    Child poverty by NI constituency

    Belfast East 21%
    Belfast North 36%
    Belfast South 18%
    Belfast West 43%
    East Antrim 15%
    East Londonderry 23%
    Fermanagh/S Tyrone 18%
    Foyle 36%
    Lagan Valley 13%
    Mid Ulster 20%
    Newry/Armagh 23%
    North Antrim 19%
    North Down 13%
    South Antrim 14%
    South Down 19%
    Strangford 15%
    Upper Bann 20%
    West Tyrone 26%

    West Belfast has the second highest level of child poverty in the UK, according to a new report from the End Child Poverty campaign.

    One in 10 children in Northern Ireland, or about 40,000, are living in severe poverty, according to research commissioned by Save the Children.

    BBC News - '40,000 Northern Ireland children in severe poverty'

    BBC News - West Belfast 'second highest in UK for child poverty'


    Our political ''leaders'' ignore the real issues in order to stoke the tribal fires and we the great unwashed let them...


    *I gave it a catchy title otherwise it wouldn't get past the first page on this political debating forum...
    Nec Aspera Terrent..Is Tuaisceart-Éireannach mé. Má tá meas agat ar mo chultúr, beidh meas agam ar do chultúr.

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    I find it amusing when they refer to "child poverty". In relative terms there is no "child poverty" in Britain. There are not thousands of families living in favelas or working in sweatshops. There is free healthcare, free education, and a massive safety net of social welfare far superior to that of other European states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post

    West Belfast has the second highest level of child poverty in the UK.
    Could someone pass these on to Jamie Bryson who believes it's only a unionist problem.
    “The presenting feelings are that we are angry about flags but there are other huge problems particularly in unionist working class, or benefit class, areas, fragmentation, lack of confidence about the future, and unless we deal with those very, very serious issues, like educational underachievement, and we have done that in the Catholic sector, then I think our politicians are letting down people and society, because we are paying millions to police public disorder rather than tackle the source of it.”
    'Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness'.

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    Well you don't have to be Einstein to realise that if life gives you Smoke and Mirrors ... then win a Nobel Prize studying Brownian Motion and the Photoelectric Effect.

    Oh wait.

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    Depressing stuff, but when we have unionists continually throwing about phrases like "bestest economies in teh worldz" (what a red-herring) why would their flock even contemplate any alternative? Does the 6 counties actually benefit from the UK economy? More economic independence is needed to address the problems directly, but as Sammy Wilson said last week 'We're unionists, we don't want more economic freedom, they're republicans, they do'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Global Justice View Post
    Depressing stuff, but when we have unionists continually throwing about phrases like "bestest economies in teh worldz" (what a red-herring) why would their flock even contemplate any alternative? Does the 6 counties actually benefit from the UK economy? More economic independence is needed to address the problems directly, but as Sammy Wilson said last week 'We're unionists, we don't want more economic freedom, they're republicans, they do'
    Economic independence from whom, the UK, the RoI, the EU or the Euro Zone?, well done, a reaonable thread on a socio economic issue affecting both sides and it takes 4 responses before it's a unionist/nationalist discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devonish View Post
    Economic independence from whom, the UK, the RoI, the EU or the Euro Zone?, well done, a reaonable thread on a socio economic issue affecting both sides and it takes 4 responses before it's a unionist/nationalist discussion.
    Why are you getting so defensive after me pointing out a relevant fact? More economic freedom from Westminster would be beneficial to help alleviate these problems, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Global Justice View Post
    Depressing stuff, but when we have unionists continually throwing about phrases like "bestest economies in teh worldz" (what a red-herring) why would their flock even contemplate any alternative? Does the 6 counties actually benefit from the UK economy? More economic independence is needed to address the problems directly, but as Sammy Wilson said last week 'We're unionists, we don't want more economic freedom, they're republicans, they do'

    Indeed Global, wait now for the denials, the place is an economic basket case, unemployment wasteland and many of those with jobs sell their labor cheap.

    Depressing place with even the housing market in free fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aristodemus View Post
    I find it amusing when they refer to "child poverty". In relative terms there is no "child poverty" in Britain. There are not thousands of families living in favelas or working in sweatshops. There is free healthcare, free education, and a massive safety net of social welfare far superior to that of other European states.
    Relative to Britain, Northern Irish children are very poor. I think the ROI rate is 21%, so you can probably draw relative conclusions as to which region has more effect on our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Global Justice View Post
    Why are you getting so defensive after me pointing out a relevant fact? More economic freedom from Westminster would be beneficial to help alleviate these problems, no?
    Merely trying to point out that economic freedom is a great slogan but means precious little in a global economy. To be honest, I remain to be convinced that our local politicians have the ability to make rational economic decisions so would question the merit of devolving powers to Stormont.

    The number one priority for Stormont has to be to ensure that NI is not in the world news for the wrong reasons, this they have singuarly and collectively failed to do.
    Their next priority is to ensure that we produce an educated workforce with skills relevant to employers, I don't think that they have done terribly well on this front either.

    The above are the basics that any inward investor will think about, any fiscal powers devolved would in all likelihood lead to a playing to the gallert as opposed to sensible long term policies.

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