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    Default Full State apology on Magdalene laundries to be issued today

    Kenny to issue Magdalene apology - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 19, 2013

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny is expected to make a full state apology to survivors of the Magdalene laundries today.

    At least 20 women who had been in Magdalene laundries will attend the Dáil debate this evening on the McAleese report. They will sit in the public gallery along with family, friends and representatives of advocacy groups which have been fighting their cause.

    At 6pm, as that debate begins, the women expect to witness an apology by Mr Kenny on behalf of the people of Ireland for ignoring them and their treatment at the 10 laundries in the Republic between 1922 and 1996
    Should be interesting. The best case scenario would seem to be Kenny issuing a full and unambiguous statement, similar to the lauded Cameron bloody Sunday apology. It's been a long time coming.

    It's not just fuzzy feelings though, Kenny will also speak about financial compensation, as well as other offers such as education, health care etc to make up for the abuse and pain they suffered.

    The question will be how much compensation and to whom. The protest groups are mooting a flat rate of 100k, but there still seems to be questions as to how many people would actually receive such a figure. The state is responsible for moving 25% of the girls into the homes, but it's not unfair to assume that not all girls would have been abused. It seems overkill to give someone who entered the home for less than a year the same amount as someone who was there for 3 years and suffered abuse.

    The question of what to do in relation to those who have passed away would also need to be answered.

    Big day in the Dail, and for Kenny.
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    I am sure an apology will be forthcoming.

    There are I am sure many who should apologise. Many of the families of the Magdalene Laundries have questions to answer too.

    Only about a quarter of the Magdalene Women were committed by the State. Is the State expected to compensate all of them?

    Why were so many of them committed by the Courts? Was it an alternative to a prison sentence because they were pregnant?

    How much compensation should be paid and how much cuts would people bear to pay compensation?

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    It is a big day and long overdue for those who suffered.

    They fought back.

    Fought for their justice and they won.

    Today is their day and, yet again, another day for which a sitting Taoiseach has to apologise for criminality, abuse and neglect carried out by so-called religious organisations and ignored by the establishment.

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    If there is compensation it would be better to pay €5,000 a year than a lump sum of €100,000 or €200,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    Kenny to issue Magdalene apology - The Irish Times - Tue, Feb 19, 2013



    Should be interesting. The best case scenario would seem to be Kenny issuing a full and unambiguous statement, similar to the lauded Cameron bloody Sunday apology. It's been a long time coming.

    It's not just fuzzy feelings though, Kenny will also speak about financial compensation, as well as other offers such as education, health care etc to make up for the abuse and pain they suffered.

    The question will be how much compensation and to whom. The protest groups are mooting a flat rate of 100k, but there still seems to be questions as to how many people would actually receive such a figure. The state is responsible for moving 25% of the girls into the homes, but it's not unfair to assume that not all girls would have been abused. It seems overkill to give someone who entered the home for less than a year the same amount as someone who was there for 3 years and suffered abuse.

    The question of what to do in relation to those who have passed away would also need to be answered.

    Big day in the Dail, and for Kenny.
    From a few readings of the report, it would appear that those who were sent to the laundries by the courts were at least sent there under a form of supervision; they were also aware of their rights. They probably had it easier and for a shorter duration than other victims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Des Quirell View Post
    From a few readings of the report, it would appear that those who were sent to the laundries by the courts were at least sent there under a form of supervision; they were also aware of their rights. They probably had it easier and for a shorter duration than other victims.
    Why would we be compensating peole sent there by the Courts? Are prison inmates to be compensated next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IbrahaimMohamad View Post
    Why would we be compensating peole sent there by the Courts? Are prison inmates to be compensated next?
    If they were abused by staff in those prisons, then yes. The courts were a state body, if the state mandates your incarceration in an unregulated control free environment where abuse occurs, then that's on the state.
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    The compensation must start flowing from those religious orders, they still seem to be sitting on a lot of prime property in Dublin and elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    If they were abused by staff in those prisons, then yes. The courts were a state body, if the state mandates your incarceration in an unregulated control free environment where abuse occurs, then that's on the state.
    We can hardly assume that every single on of them were abused and if they were they must have been abused to different degrees?

    Are the abusers not to pay any compensation?

    Surely there must have been some people who were not abused?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IbrahaimMohamad View Post
    We can hardly assume that every single on of them were abused and if they were they must have been abused to different degrees?
    Who here has made that assumption?

    Are the abusers not to pay any compensation?
    I'm open to correction, but I thought the asylums fell under the deal reached between FF and the church. If that's the case the abusers have paid as much as they're going to. Ultimately that's a seperate matter. This is about the state's responsiblity in the affair.
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