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    It seems probable that SF will be a junior coalition partner within the next two elections if they maintain their present poll rating, so analogies with previous republican parties should help gauge their potential attitude. After the radicalism of Original Sinn Féin's programme in 1918 and the revolutionary period, the subsequent Cumann na Gaedhael administration proved decidely conservative, focusing on fiscal prudence and law and order, rather than social and cultural change. Similarly, the accession of FF was widely feared by many in the professional classes on the basis that the party was viiewed as decidely unpredictable, yet within the next decade, its protectionist economic policies and isolationist cultural nationalism saw the Soldiers of Destiny position themselves firmly to the centre-right. Even when Clann na Poblachta clung most faithfully to its pre-election republican socialism, the subsequent clash between Browne and McBride saw this USP severely diluted and the party inexorably dwindle into irrelevance. Finally, SF's record in Stormont has shown its own readiness to engage in austerity politics when required by political necessity, so rather than the "real party of the left", it seems highly likely that SF in government will swiftly reveal itself to be merely "FF Nua".
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    Will Sinn Fein be conservative in government? They already are...

    Sam Smyth: SF's policy is hypocrisy -- on both sides of Border - Independent.ie

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    This is pretty much a mess.

    SF have been useful from a polling pov for the last 3 elections. Polling numbers have nothing to do with it, there's no sign that any major political party is willing to do business with SF, or SF with them.


    People trying to directly tie their actions between NI and the republic are just being lazy. They're separate parties with different leaders, different members and very different electoral challenges. Their catchment is much wider in the North, they're working in a different economy and a different political model. SF's politics in the Republic and that of their supporters are firmly ensconced on the left.

    Trying to tie what people thought 100 years ago into current voting patterns is ridiculous.

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    I don't see the correlation between SF's programme of 1918 and the ' subsequent Cumann na Gaedhael' (sic) administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    This is pretty much a mess.

    SF have been useful from a polling pov for the last 3 elections. Polling numbers have nothing to do with it, there's no sign that any major political party is willing to do business with SF, or SF with them.


    People trying to directly tie their actions between NI and the republic are just being lazy. They're separate parties with different leaders, different members and very different electoral challenges. Their catchment is much wider in the North, they're working in a different economy and a different political model. SF's politics in the Republic and that of their supporters are firmly ensconced on the left.

    Trying to tie what people thought 100 years ago into current voting patterns is ridiculous.

    Apart from that, great work...
    Sweet jeebus. I think for the first time in 9 years I agree with something Sync wrote!
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    Quote Originally Posted by anationoceagain View Post
    Will Sinn Fein be conservative in government? They already are...

    Sam Smyth: SF's policy is hypocrisy -- on both sides of Border - Independent.ie
    Another sucker believing the newspapers blindly. If circumstances were identical in NI and the Republic then Smyth would have a point. They aren't so he doesn't. In fact, if SF acted the same way in NI as they do in the Republic, then there'd be something wrong. Alas, the shyt rag that is the Indo exploits the unthinking nature of its readers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FloatingVoterTralee View Post
    It seems probable that SF will be a junior coalition partner within the next two elections if they maintain their present poll rating, so analogies with previous republican parties should help gauge their potential attitude. After the radicalism of Original Sinn Féin's programme in 1918 and the revolutionary period, the subsequent Cumann na Gaedhael administration proved decidely conservative, focusing on fiscal prudence and law and order, rather than social and cultural change. Similarly, the accession of FF was widely feared by many in the professional classes on the basis that the party was viiewed as decidely unpredictable, yet within the next decade, its protectionist economic policies and isolationist cultural nationalism saw the Soldiers of Destiny position themselves firmly to the centre-right. Even when Clann na Poblachta clung most faithfully to its pre-election republican socialism, the subsequent clash between Browne and McBride saw this USP severely diluted and the party inexorably dwindle into irrelevance. Finally, SF's record in Stormont has shown its own readiness to engage in austerity politics when required by political necessity, so rather than the "real party of the left", it seems highly likely that SF in government will swiftly reveal itself to be merely "FF Nua".
    Conservative does not come close to what SF would be like in government.

    I remember years ago the kneecappings and see the victims of tarring and feathering, let alone other.

    SF in government would be very nice and cuddly until they got more than 50% of the vote, then the iron fist would crush everything.

    The present bunch are bad enough. We do not need worse.

    We need a real credible alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    This is pretty much a mess.

    SF have been useful from a polling pov for the last 3 elections. Polling numbers have nothing to do with it, there's no sign that any major political party is willing to do business with SF, or SF with them.


    People trying to directly tie their actions between NI and the republic are just being lazy. They're separate parties with different leaders, different members and very different electoral challenges. Their catchment is much wider in the North, they're working in a different economy and a different political model. SF's politics in the Republic and that of their supporters are firmly ensconced on the left.

    Trying to tie what people thought 100 years ago into current voting patterns is ridiculous.

    Apart from that, great work...
    Wrong.

    You clearly know nothing about SF.

    SF is the exact same party on both sides of the border under the one leadership.

    Policy's on both sides are different to take advantage of oppertunities to advance there share of the vote, but that is it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anationoceagain View Post
    Will Sinn Fein be conservative in government? They already are...

    Sam Smyth: SF's policy is hypocrisy -- on both sides of Border - Independent.ie
    Someone should tell Sam that the British Government govern the six counties.

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    There has yet to be a party in Irish political history that, whilst canvassing on a leftist programme in opposition, did not move to the right in Government, at least fiscally. The further left, the further right. Pragmatism dictates.

    "It's the economy, stupid."

    Does anyone honestly believe that if SF gained office in the morning that any of their more marxist economic ideas would see the light of day?
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