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    Mangan Report recommends taxing Child benefit as a Budgetary option!

    Taxing Child Benefit is one of the options recommended by the Mangan report in relation to reforming the Child Benefit Regime. The Mangan report has described taxing Child Benefit as “most feasible options for change”.

    Any move towards taxing Child Benefit would create anomalies, and leave many working families much worse off than welfare families.

    There are many welfare type benefits that are not taxed which include Rent allowance. Many hard pressed taxpayers may well find themselves much worse off than Welfare families when the tax free rent allowance is reckoned.

    Working families have to incur such costs as travelling to work and childcare costs that Welfare families do not have to bear. In addition Ireland is almost unique in that it does not provide a tax allowance for dependent children like many other Countries.

    The cost burden seems to fall particularly harshly on working families. There was a substantial change in our society towards higher labour participation rates, where two parents work to meet their outgoings, which include travel to work expenses, substantial rent or mortgage repayments, and childcare costs.

    Any regime which would move to taxing Children's allowance would need to provide tax relief on outgoings in order not to undermine the viability of work.

    Working families need an incentive to make work pay while they rear the next generation of taxpayers!


    400,000 families face tax on children's allowance - Independent.ie

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    Quote Originally Posted by IbrahaimMohamad View Post
    Mangan Report recommends taxing Child benefit as a Budgetary option!

    Taxing Child Benefit is one of the options recommended by the Mangan report in relation to reforming the Child Benefit Regime. The Mangan report has described taxing Child Benefit as “most feasible options for change”.

    Any move towards taxing Child Benefit would create anomalies, and leave many working families much worse off than welfare families.

    There are many welfare type benefits that are not taxed which include Rent allowance. Many hard pressed taxpayers may well find themselves much worse off than Welfare families when the tax free rent allowance is reckoned.

    Working families have to incur such costs as travelling to work and childcare costs that Welfare families do not have to bear. In addition Ireland is almost unique in that it does not provide a tax allowance for dependent children like many other Countries.

    The cost burden seems to fall particularly harshly on working families. There was a substantial change in our society towards higher labour participation rates, where two parents work to meet their outgoings, which include travel to work expenses, substantial rent or mortgage repayments, and childcare costs.

    Any regime which would move to taxing Children's allowance would need to provide tax relief on outgoings in order not to undermine the viability of work.

    Working families need an incentive to make work pay while they rear the next generation of taxpayers!


    400,000 families face tax on children's allowance - Independent.ie
    Far better to means test, but the problem is that the expense of means testing would erode the savings.

    Second best option would be to tax child benefit for anyone paying the higher rate of tax while leaving it untaxed for those on the ordinary rate. Of course you'd have some problems with people who are close to the threshold who'd end up worse off, but that will always exist when any benefit has a cut off point, and could be addressed through tapering if needs be.

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    Household earning less than 60k a year, keep Child benefit.
    60-80k, 75% of child benefit.
    80-100k, 50% of child benefit.
    100-200k 25% of child benefit.
    200k plus, none at all.

    This would be fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    Far better to means test, but the problem is that the expense of means testing would erode the savings.

    Second best option would be to tax child benefit for anyone paying the higher rate of tax while leaving it untaxed for those on the ordinary rate. Of course you'd have some problems with people who are close to the threshold who'd end up worse off, but that will always exist when any benefit has a cut off point, and could be addressed through tapering if needs be.
    Why not merge the revenue and welfare departments into one department. That would make it easier to determine what everyone had

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Household earning less than 60k a year, keep Child benefit.
    60-80k, 75% of child benefit.
    80-100k, 50% of child benefit.
    100-200k 25% of child benefit.
    200k plus, none at all.

    This would be fair.
    I think that a tier system could be good but it would more intresting to add in child care around it to also help people get back to work.

    Heres my thought for just one child the rest would be doubled.

    55k and under, 110 euro per child including free child care.
    56k-85k, 75 euro per child also including free child care.
    86-120k, 40 euro per child
    120k+, none at all.

    If they have more than 3 kids then this is what they would be entitled to.

    55k and under, 330 euro for 3 kids or more including free child care.
    56k-85k, 225 euro for 3 kids or more including free child care.
    86-120k, 120 euro for 3 kids or more.
    120k+, none at all.

    It could cut costs down for giving high earners extra money, giving people on social welfare or low income jobs to be able to get a job more or will to work longer and detering people from having too many kids to look after.

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    Another reason to stay at home and go around all day in the pyjamas

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Household earning less than 60k a year, keep Child benefit.
    60-80k, 75% of child benefit.
    80-100k, 50% of child benefit.
    100-200k 25% of child benefit.
    200k plus, none at all.

    This would be fair.
    How in the name of all that is good could you believe that anyone on over 100k should be entitled to any kind of benefit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruserious View Post
    Household earning less than 60k a year, keep Child benefit.
    60-80k, 75% of child benefit.
    80-100k, 50% of child benefit.
    100-200k 25% of child benefit.
    200k plus, none at all.

    This would be fair.
    Eminently sensible.
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    No point working in this country it seems, you will get punished.

    CB should be taxed.
    It should be paid as vouchers.
    CB should be paid for 2 children max.
    Parents who have convictions, or children with convictions, should have their CB removed.

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    Is the report available to read in full, rather than having to rely on spin from politicians and media?

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