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    Good article in The Economist recently about the Nordic countries in the current crisis. A lot of the positives in it that they've managed to sustain or implent I think would be just too much for the short term Irish political classes and electorate. For instance, this bit would be problematic in Ireland

    The Nordic countries: The next supermodel | The Economist

    The state is popular not because it is big but because it works. A Swede pays tax more willingly than a Californian because he gets decent schools and free health care. The Nordics have pushed far-reaching reforms past unions and business lobbies. The proof is there. You can inject market mechanisms into the welfare state to sharpen its performance. You can put entitlement programmes on sound foundations to avoid beggaring future generations. But you need to be willing to root out corruption and vested interests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    Good article in The Economist recently about the Nordic countries in the current crisis. A lot of the posties in it that they've managed to sustain or implent I think would be just too much for the short term Irish political classes and electorate. For instance, this bit would be problematic in Ireland

    The Nordic countries: The next supermodel | The Economist

    I want my local TD to look after his constituency and bring every advantage he can to our area.
    This, he may do to the detriment of other constituencies and also to the detriment to the country if the good of our constituency are not in the national interest.
    A quote from a thread earlier on, from a FF supporter but alas indicative of the short sighted me fein Irish electorate
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    Quote Originally Posted by eoghanacht View Post
    A quote from a thread earlier on, from a FF supporter but alas indicative of the short sighted me fein Irish electorate
    sheesh...is it any wonder we're doomed? The frighting thing is, that's how these elected people think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    sheesh...is it any wonder we're doomed? The frighting thing is, that's how these elected people think.

    Only because we keep electing them. They aren't held up to any standards as long as they throw their voters a bone every now and again their seats are guaranteed.

    I remember a programme about JHR doing the rounds down in Kerry on the run up to an election and he was bragging that he kept an old ford cortina as he pointed out that he'd get more votes if he was seen canvassing in that than he would if he pulled up in the driveway of some small farmer with his shiny top of the range merc.


    It was the skullduggery that offended me but the fact that he was right and that by and large electorates the world over are thick as pig sh!te.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    Good article in The Economist recently about the Nordic countries in the current crisis. A lot of the positives in it that they've managed to sustain or implent I think would be just too much for the short term Irish political classes and electorate. For instance, this bit would be problematic in Ireland

    The Nordic countries: The next supermodel | The Economist
    The state is popular not because it is big but because it works. A Swede pays tax more willingly than a Californian because he gets decent schools and free health care. The Nordics have pushed far-reaching reforms past unions and business lobbies. The proof is there. You can inject market mechanisms into the welfare state to sharpen its performance. You can put entitlement programmes on sound foundations to avoid beggaring future generations. But you need to be willing to root out corruption and vested interests.
    Are you sure ?

    With the Democrats controlling one State congressional wing for 40 years, and the other for 80% of 40 years ?

    State budgets in California have been controlled by the Democrats for years.

    California is an example in the US of high taxation relative to other states. Incidentally, almost one in three unemployed US citizens resides in California.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    Good article in The Economist recently about the Nordic countries in the current crisis. A lot of the positives in it that they've managed to sustain or implent I think would be just too much for the short term Irish political classes and electorate. For instance, this bit would be problematic in Ireland

    The Nordic countries: The next supermodel | The Economist
    So would this:

    "Public spending as a proportion of GDP in these countries is still higher than this newspaper would like."

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    David Begg would occasionally raise the issue of the Nordic model but his definition seemed to involve him and Bertie "negotiating" how big everyone's pay increase would be.
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    I spent some time in Lund a few months back. It was quite an eye-opener. The local bus service was operated by the same crowd that does our Luas, the parents got cash to send their kids to local schools including a Catholic one, there were no vacant retail spaces, they had high-tech industries coming out of their a$$, teams of private doctors bid for the the provision of services at the local hospital, men on paternity leave were pushing prams around the place and no one thought of them as being losers, women appeared to hold many senior positions in the public and private sector, almost everyone spoke English, you could get a decent apartment for less than 140,000, and everything worked fine. I asked around about it and nobody wanted to go back to the socialist era.
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    That's not called Thatcherism, that's called efficiency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stopdoingstuff View Post
    I spent some time in Lund a few months back. It was quite an eye-opener. The local bus service was operated by the same crowd that does our Luas, the parents got cash to send their kids to local schools including a Catholic one, there were no vacant retail spaces, they had high-tech industries coming out of their a$$, teams of private doctors bid for the the provision of services at the local hospital, men on paternity leave were pushing prams around the place and no one thought of them as being losers, women appeared to hold many senior positions in the public and private sector, almost everyone spoke English, you could get a decent apartment for less than 140,000, and everything worked fine. I asked around about it and nobody wanted to go back to the socialist era.
    Eh? Who the hell thinks that here? Seriously? I walk my family around all the time as many other dads do! What a weird thing to say.
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