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    With the more recent polls which suggested a potential appetite for independence in Scotland there was much talk of the undermining of the Northern Irish union if the Scots withdrew.I'm really trying to understand what the Ulster Protestant attitude to Scotland is.I realise that the Scots will probably not vote to leave but the subject is interesting nonetheless.

    In particular I'm wondering if Ulster people consider themselves to be Celts or even Gaels as a result of the strong Scottish connections or if not how do you eliminate this central aspect of what Scottishness is from your heritage?I mean in the event of independence would you approve of Scottish promotion of their native language and such or would you find the Anglo world in England more to your liking?Which British would you be after the split?

    Or is it the case that Ulster people feel more of an affinity with the English world and feel their Scottish ancestry is no problem to that-more of a northern English rather than Scottish affinity?

    Or is it simply the Presbyterian connection and if so will that not stay with Scotland even after a split?

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    serious question for this time of nite, so i will give a serious answer, in truth unionism has an identity crisis, we are not Irish nor Scottish nor English and certainly not welch (well apart from shhep shaggers in Antrim) In reality we are Northern Irish but apart from myself and dancy no one seems to have ticked that box, but at the same time both the census and polls have shown that the nationalist community also has an identity crisis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post
    serious question for this time of nite, so i will give a serious answer, in truth unionism has an identity crisis, we are not Irish nor Scottish nor English and certainly not welch (well apart from shhep shaggers in Antrim) In reality we are Northern Irish but apart from myself and dancy no one seems to have ticked that box, but at the same time both the census and polls have shown that the nationalist community also has an identity crisis...
    TBH, I find that puzzling. There is such a thing as a distinct Irish culture, which is more than what can be said for British culture(which, in fairness, is almost interchangable with English culture). Basically, a lot of Unionists came from lowland Scotland, and have rejected intergration with the Irish cultural identity, nearly uniquely among all historical settlers in Ireland. But as you said, no other category besides "Northern Irish" really fits, and that in itself is an ambigious term. Easy to see why Unionism would have an identity crises.


    Why would Nationalists have an identity crises though? There is nowhere near as much complicating factors, many NI people are involved in all-Ireland assosiations, from SIPTU to the GAA, and many take an interest in promoting Irish. I find it hard to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattarigna View Post
    TBH, I find that puzzling. There is such a thing as a distinct Irish culture, which is more than what can be said for British culture(which, in fairness, is almost interchangable with English culture). Basically, a lot of Unionists came from lowland Scotland, and have rejected intergration with the Irish cultural identity, nearly uniquely among all historical settlers in Ireland. But as you said, no other category besides "Northern Irish" really fits, and that in itself is an ambigious term. Easy to see why Unionism would have an identity crises.


    Why would Nationalists have an identity crises though? There is nowhere near as much complicating factors, many NI people are involved in all-Ireland assosiations, from SIPTU to the GAA, and many take an interest in promoting Irish. I find it hard to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post
    OO, next...
    Oh yeah the OO thrives down south as much as the GAA thrives north of the border.
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    I'd even go as far as saying hurling is more popular in Fermanagh than the OO is south of the border! And that is saying something!
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    When 80% of the population of NI is either unionist or Unionist, the question would no doubt give a wide range of opinions. The Scottish connection gets a tad plastic at times IMO. Surly to God there are more people in NI of English background than there are of Scottish?

    Why don't we ask resident unionists like Esk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theloner View Post
    I'd even go as far as saying hurling is more popular in Fermanagh than the OO is south of the border! And that is saying something!
    You're welcome along to any of our events to see for yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by Schomberg View Post
    You're welcome along to any of our events to see for yourself
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    Quote Originally Posted by theloner View Post
    I rather dip my purple helmet in acid.
    Acid? Is that a common name for Korean males?

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