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    Referendum on flags?

    Just putting it out there...as a suggesting a compromise to overcome the flag impasse ...

    Parallel to Shadow Council elections
    Confined to only the Belfast City Council region i.e. only open to Belfast City electorate
    Result is implemented for duration of City Council term from the start of the new council set up.
    PR-STV of multiple options including No flags, 365 days, Designated days, both flags, Tricolour, Civic Belfast Flag or simply a run off between designated days and 365 days.
    Council is free to discuss policy of flags regardless.
    A blanket ban on leaflets or election literature or other election material mentioning the flag or any other flag during election. With Fines on parties or independent candidates who breach this.
    Referendum question must be in English, Irish and Ulster Scots, with options of other languages

    Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by physicist View Post
    Referendum on flags?

    Just putting it out there...as a suggesting a compromise to overcome the flag impasse ...

    Parallel to Shadow Council elections
    Confined to only the Belfast City Council region i.e. only open to Belfast City electorate
    Result is implemented for duration of City Council term from the start of the new council set up.
    PR-STV of multiple options including No flags, 365 days, Designated days, both flags, Tricolour, Civic Belfast Flag or simply a run off between designated days and 365 days.
    Council is free to discuss policy of flags regardless.
    A blanket ban on leaflets or election literature or other election material mentioning the flag or any other flag during election. With Fines on parties or independent candidates who breach this.
    Referendum question must be in English, Irish and Ulster Scots, with options of other languages

    Any thoughts?
    Cart before the horse. Northern Ireland is still part of the Union.

    The official flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Flag. If the people of Northern Ireland indicate that they wish to remain in the Union then they must also accept that the Union Flag will fly. Recent evidence suggests this to be the case.

    Just out of interest, why do you suggest we restrict your proposal to Belfast only?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SgtBilko View Post
    Cart before the horse. Northern Ireland is still part of the Union.

    The official flag of Northern Ireland is the Union Flag. If the people of Northern Ireland indicate that they wish to remain in the Union then they must also accept that the Union Flag will fly. Recent evidence suggests this to be the case.

    Just out of interest, why do you suggest we restrict your proposal to Belfast only?
    Because Newry, Armagh, Lisburn and all the other councils can make flag decisions with the people there reacting peacefully, without nonsense about destroying heritage, culture or status. Similarly with many councils in Britain who choose no flags or designated days.
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    Why would you need a referendum? There's already been a democratic vote in the council.

    It's not like it is a important issue such as bin collections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levellers View Post
    Why would you need a referendum? There's already been a democratic vote in the council.

    It's not like it is a important issue such as bin collections.
    Another injection of democracy might make a difference. Plus I do so on the proviso that the council parties return to real issues in their campaign.

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    My thoughts are it is a dumb idea, a waste of money and an excuse for more tension...
    Nec Aspera Terrent..Is Tuaisceart-Éireannach mé. Má tá meas agat ar mo chultúr, beidh meas agam ar do chultúr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by between the bridges View Post
    My thoughts are it is a dumb idea, a waste of money and an excuse for more tension...
    They'll be run alongside Shadow Council Elections which would've went on anyway, if paying a few people to make a second count has any hope of making civic Belfast look at the true division of opinion here, and prevent 15 million pounds of damage happening again, I think it would be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by physicist View Post
    Because Newry, Armagh, Lisburn and all the other councils can make flag decisions with the people there reacting peacefully, without nonsense about destroying heritage, culture or status. Similarly with many councils in Britain who choose no flags or designated days.
    Yes but you are advocating that the decision be taken out of council hands. If that is to be the case then the decision should be made Province-wide rather than restricted just to Belfast.

    The City Hall in our capital is a significant building for all of us, not just residents of Belfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SgtBilko View Post
    Yes but you are advocating that the decision be taken out of council hands. If that is to be the case then the decision should be made Province-wide rather than restricted just to Belfast.

    Belfast City Hall is a very significant building for all of us, not just residents of Belfast.
    Should we take it to Durban too? Anything outside the Belfast City Council area would seem like gerrymandering, if people outside of Belfast want to pay Belfast City rates and/or towards property damage as well as their own rates, I might consider it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by physicist View Post
    Should we take it to Durban too? Anything outside the Belfast City Council area would seem like gerrymandering, if people outside of Belfast want to pay Belfast City rates and/or towards property damage as well as their own rates I might consider it.
    Now you're being silly. We are talking about issues surrounding the flying of the official flag of Northern Ireland, in the capital of Northern Ireland. As an earlier poster pointed out.....we're not talking about changing the days the bins are colllected. Get real.

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