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    Default Promissory note deal emerging, emergency legislation for Dail this evening, time to focus on deficit now or is deal good enough?

    ### Story

    Cliff Taylor of The Business Post has the scoop
    The Sunday Business Post
    The government is understood to be in the final stages of talks with the ECB on the restructuring of promissory note payments, with the prospect of special financial legislation going through the Oireachtas in relation to some restructuring of IBRC as part of any deal.
    and RTE have more detail : Govt set to liquidate Anglo as part of debt deal - RTÉ News

    Anglo /IBRC will be liquidated with Nama taking on its assets, though the our Central Bank may assume some of the balance sheet. Also the government will issue new securities to cover the liquidation shortfall. Here is the legislation to liquidate the IBRC : Irish Bank Resolution Corporation Bill 2013 (Number 9 of 2013) - Tithe an Oireachtais Also here is Michael Noonan's speech which serves as a useful overview of the Bill.

    ECB sign off will be from formal council meeting tomorrow, and informally at tonight's working dinner. ECB offers Ireland deal on Anglo notes - RTÉ News

    The deal will likely see longer repayment schedule (25-40 years) at lower interest (a floating rate in the order of 3 to 3.5%). Key to the deal will be how the actual financial figures showing the reduction in our liabilities in NPV. No sign of this yet, and it may only emerge post liquidation. 

    ### Analysis

    1) Here's a useful old column by Karl Whelan that explains the kernel of the deal : How Much Would Ireland Benefit from Replacing the Promissory Notes with a Long-Term Bond?

    2) Are folks happy that this complex financial engineering will be rushed through as emergency legislation with relatively little scrutiny ? Especially as just a day ago Noonan himself said we still had 7 or 8 weeks left ? There are two theories why
    a) Negotiating brinksmanship with ECB
    b) Legal reasons: that as news of deal leaked interested parties might seek to take action against IBRC

    3) Will this deal be good enough for Labour malcontents - and will Ireland be able to focus efforts on deficit reduction as is so badly needed ?


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    DJ FX Trader ‏@djfxtrader: Irish Proposal Involves Issuance of New Bond With Duration "In and Around" 15 Years; Swap New Bond for Promissory Notes, Says WSJ Source

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    Dealing with a promissory note promising to pay money to IBRC by issuing a sovereign bond promising to pay money to the bond buyer(s)?

    There is a problem right there.

    Anyway, let's see the details.
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    40 year bond deal was rejected by the ECB last Friday.

    15 year bond deal is now being mooted?
    What about the EFSF/ESM mechanism?
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    Deal on Anglo bank debt imminent - Independent.ie

    Indo have more speculation:

    The deal is expected to follow the original approach of deferring payments on the remaining €28bn of IOUs but with some payments coming earlier so as not to break rules about ECB lending to governments.
    If they make a deal and are able to translate it for voters (This will save us X a year and we'll be able to save Y jobs/hospitals/garda stations per year) then it's time for the opposition to start thinking about 2020.
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    Unless its 1€ per year for the next 15bn years, it will still be a rip off.Anyone remember the Simpsons episode where Homer buys the car for "low low" monthly payments and the balloon payment at the end...Come to think of it Homer Simpson for finance minister! he couldnt do any worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerhard dengler View Post
    40 year bond deal was rejected by the ECB last Friday.

    15 year bond deal is now being mooted?
    What about the EFSF/ESM mechanism?
    As far as I know, the ESM can't get involved in IBRC because it's a wind-up vehicle - it could only buy our shares in the live banks off us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sync View Post
    Just heard in Drive Time, going to be covering it shortly.

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    Lenny must be rocking in his grave, it seems that another of his famous landmines has been defused.

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    Let's see the details, remembering that we would not be dealing with this debt unless the ECB had put a gun to our heads and refused to allow us to let Anglo go under as it should have.
    Thank you for the six thousand likes.

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