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    Default Are some FGers proud of their Blueshirt roots?

    I'm not out to stir the pot here.

    I'm genuinely interested to know if some FG people are actually proud of the fact that the Blueshirts make up part of their history.

    The thought struck me when I came across this from Dan Neville TD's website: Blueshirts 1934 : Dan Neville T.D.

    This photo shows a uniformed man by the name of Tom Neville who I can only assume is a relation of Dan's and the source of some pride for him. This was taken at some wedding back in the 30's.



    The next photo taken at the same wedding shows the party receiving the now infamous Nazi salute.



    On his website Neville says :
    it was an association forced into existence by the circumstance that after the 1932 election the men who had establised the new Irish state and who had goverened Ireland for the previous ten years were denied freedon of speech by the mob violence of the IRA and Fianna Fáil supporters.
    So are there others in Fine Gael, like Dan Neville, who are proud of the Blueshirts?

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    In fairness to the FGers, it is a little disingenuous to refer to the salute as "the now infamous Nazi" salute... it's easy to look back in hindsight and try to smear the Blueshirts with the worst crimes of the Nazi's, but I imagine the vast majority of "Blueshirts" would have been as appalled with how the Nazi regime turned out as everyone else was.

    The salute was a fascist salute.. but fascism was very much in vogue at the time.. so again, condemning in hindsight is unfair...

    And I know many FG supporters who are proud of their Blueshirt past... and right they should be.. just as I am proud of my relations IRA past...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockofcashel View Post
    In fairness to the FGers, it is a little disingenuous to refer to the salute as "the now infamous Nazi" salute...
    The salute was a fascist salute.. but fascism was very much in vogue at the time.. so again, condemning in hindsight is unfair...
    Quite right.

    I think Roman salute is a better term.
    Of course it has been tainted by association with the Nazis but they didn't have a monopoly on it.

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    look at the weasel words yesterday,the blueshirts helped in forming and maintaining a dysfunctional State and after all these years what have we got.......a deeply dysfunctional State!
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    my grandfather was a CNaG man.
    he was maths teacher who became a school principal in the west of ireland.
    was never involved in military matters, neither revolutionary nor civil war...
    hence, no involvement or dealings with the ACA although he did maintain that the ACA in their St Patrick's blue uniform provided security from IRA thugs who were disrupting CNaG rallies.
    no offense ROC, it was a minority of anti-democrats in the IRA who were carrying this out, so i suspect your family had no involvement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by friendlyfire View Post
    look at the weasel words yesterday,the blueshirts helped in forming and maintaining a dysfunctional State and after all these years what have we got.......a deeply dysfunctional State!
    well to be fair, the soldiers of destiny have only been in power pretty much from 1930s to 2011....but feel free to blame it on FG
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    I'm proud we obeyed the democratic will of the people in 1932 and handed over power without resorting to the gun.

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    ROC, that is why I said "the now infamous" salute. I thought that was clear enough.

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    Very proud of the defence of democracy though embarrassed by the subsequent actions of O'Duffy following his dismissal.

    While not a Blueshirt per se, the anti Semitic rumblings of Oliver J Flanagan are stomach churning.

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    Long long ago, long before people understood where Facism, Communism, National Socialism and all the other 'ism's' that were struggling to assert themselves in a new post monarchy, post Empire universe were leading to. A different time, a different world. If I was a FG'er (which I most certainly am not) this blueshirt business wouldn't register with me at all. It's completely irrelevant.
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