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Thread: John Lewis - the recriminations, (and lies) begin.

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    Default John Lewis - the recriminations, (and lies) begin.

    John Lewis have decided not to open a store in NI, because they can't build a store in Sprucefield as a result of a planning decision by Alex Attwood. It is claimed that 1,500 jobs which would have been created as a result of the development. The mayor of Lisburn is hopping, and is calling for his sacking, apparently unaware of the fact that only the SDLP leadership can do that, afaik - and let's face it, that is highly unlikely. Looks like the DUP mayor is doing a bit of showboating, or else he is completely stupid. Peter Robinson has also weighed in .
    The fact is that retail is competitive, and there is little or no proof that a new store adds much to the economy apart from the short term construction jobs. It simply moves retail jobs elsewhere. We, the consumers can only spend so much, and what we spend in Sprucefield will be lost to retailers elsewhere, as will jobs. So the claim that 1,500 retail jobs have been lost is a lie, and any reasonably intelligent person can figure that out instantly
    Attwood was of course acting on the advice of experts, i.e. our planners, and the fact that John Lewis have thrown a strop doesn't mean that this is the end of the matter anyway. Companies like that always want to expand and they will come here eventually, but it should be on the terms of our expert town planners and not on those of private sector bullies.
    Apart from planning issues, the fact is that Belfast needs this investment far more than Lisburn. Belfast city centre, north of Castlecourt, is largely still a wasteland and that needs attention urgently.
    Well done Alex Attwood. I'm not your biggest fan, but you got this decision spot on. Don't give in to bullies. Tesco have been doing that for years in Britain. John Lewis, it seems, are playing the same game over here. Hold fast. They will blink first. Companies like that always need to expand. They'llaccept your pre-conditions - eventually.


    John Lewis application for Lisburn withdrawn - Headlines - Belfast Newsletter

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    Attwood's going into squad rotation next term, I feel the next guy would make the same decision.

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    I can understand where he his coming from......though Newry somehow survived, lot of cross border shopping I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by physicist View Post
    Attwood's going into squad rotation next term, I feel the next guy would make the same decision.
    Hopefully.
    The unionists trying to turn this into a propaganda coup completely forget that a John Lewis store located in Sprucefield won't benefit at all from the effects of shoppers who fly in from Britain or further afield whereas a city centre site will not only win a share of that market, (i.e. real jobs) but it will also add to the Belfast experience and make it a bit more attractive as a destination. A John Lewis store in Sprucefield will never attract weekenders, because even with decent transport links, who ever on a weekend away, ventures 15 miles away from the city for shopping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Boy View Post
    Hopefully.
    The unionists trying to turn this into a propaganda coup completely forget that a John Lewis store located in Sprucefield won't benefit at all from the effects of shoppers who fly in from Britain or further afield whereas a city centre site will not only win a share of that market, (i.e. real jobs) but it will also add to the Belfast experience and make it a bit more attractive as a destination. A John Lewis store in Sprucefield will never attract weekenders, because even with decent transport links, who ever on a weekend away, ventures 15 miles away from the city for shopping?
    I'd imagine John Lewis want to do what is best for themselves,rather than Belfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DT123 View Post
    I'd imagine John Lewis want to do what is best for themselves,rather than Belfast.
    Not surprising. If there wasn't legislation outlawing it, they'd be trying to offer 2.50 an hour to employees, if they could get away with it. They'd be trying to run roughshod over health and safety legislation, without any consideration for the people they employ. We know this. This is how most employers behaved when there was no legislation to regulate these issues, and anyone who thinks they wouldn't revert is a fool.
    That is why we need people in government who are more sympathetic to the rights of citizens, than of huge corporations.

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    I heard that all major companies wanting to come to NI have to look at Belfast first. Why should all you Belfast scumbags get first dibs at the jobs. The North and West of NI is crying out for investment. 1,500 jobs, yes please!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evergreenfinch View Post
    I heard that all major companies wanting to come to NI have to look at Belfast first. Why should all you Belfast scumbags get first dibs at the jobs. The North and West of NI is crying out for investment. 1,500 jobs, yes please!!
    1) I live west of the Bann.
    2) 1500 jobs in retail in one location is very likely 1,500 jobs lost in locations nearby.
    3) Lisburn is neither north or west of Belfast. Although still a satelite town it is virtually a suburb nowadays. The claim that potential retail jobs in west and south Belfast have been lost, is laughable considering that it would only transfer them to Sprucefield and make life more difficult (and expensive) for people travelling from those areas, to work in a location 12/15 miles out of the city.

    Robinson, and the mayor of Lisburn whose name I can't remember, and can't be arsed to look up, are engaging in propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Boy View Post
    1) I live west of the Bann.
    2) 1500 jobs in retail in one location is very likely 1,500 jobs lost in locations nearby.
    3) Lisburn is neither north or west of Belfast. Although still a satelite town it is virtually a suburb nowadays. The claim that potential retail jobs in west and south Belfast have been lost, is laughable considering that it would only transfer them to Sprucefield and make life more difficult (and expensive) for people travelling from those areas, to work in a location 12/15 miles out of the city.

    Robinson, and the mayor of Lisburn whose name I can't remember, and can't be arsed to look up, are engaging in propaganda.
    It would be 1500 jobs in NI! If it moves to Dublin the skangers across the border get the jobs and the people of NI suffer again because of Belfast's greed!

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    The planning wrangles and delay on this issue have been a complete disgrace and demonstrated the incompetence of our politicians and the over bureaucratised system that the socialism underlying the argument in the op creates. Private sector bully indeed; 9 bloody years of red tape and inaction! Truly pathetic.

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