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    Default School caretakers the new mental Heath professionals in our schools

    One of the first moves Ruari Quinn makes during his time in education is to virtually dismantle the guidance counselling service in our schools. These are largely a group of trained Counsellors and many qualified to work as professional Counsellors most were regular attendees at skills based workshops run by many off the specialised mental health national bodies. To the bin they go and the many years of experience and training....

    Mr Quinns bright idea is the caretakers will now step up to the mark and even the ladies in the canteen need to get the finger out and shoulder to the wheel!

    Is this madness or am I missing something?

    For me it would be like minister Reilly making a declaration that our hospitals would no longer have nursing staff and the care assistants, cleaners and anyone who happens to be in the area to roll up the sleeves and give a dig out...

    Now caretakers and canteen staff are all very decent people but if my child is having mental health problems I don't want anyone other than a highly trained and experienced professional to meet with her

    I now have no confidence in minister Quinn to develop and reform Ireland education system - maybe he should ask one of the cleaners in Dáil Éireann to guide him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texal Tom View Post
    One of the first moves Ruari Quinn makes during his time in education is to virtually dismantle the guidance counselling service in our schools. These are largely a group of trained Counsellors and many qualified to work as professional Counsellors most were regular attendees at skills based workshops run by many off the specialised mental health national bodies. To the bin they go and the many years of experience and training....

    Mr Quinns bright idea is the caretakers will now step up to the mark and even the ladies in the canteen need to get the finger out and shoulder to the wheel!

    Is this madness or am I missing something?

    For me it would be like minister Reilly making a declaration that our hospitals would no longer have nursing staff and the care assistants, cleaners and anyone who happens to be in the area to roll up the sleeves and give a dig out...

    Now caretakers and canteen staff are all very decent people but if my child is having mental health problems I don't want anyone other than a highly trained and experienced professional to meet with her

    I now have no confidence in minister Quinn to develop and reform Ireland education system - maybe he should ask one of the cleaners in Dáil Éireann to guide him!
    They never were proper Counsellors in the Schools to begin with!

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    It's a horse manure panic measure and very obviously made up by a committee.
    As if staff werent looking out for the kids and then getting them to the guidance counsellor in the past!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcolebrooke View Post
    They never were proper Counsellors in the Schools to begin with!
    Only because they were not given the full time hours unless it was a big school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcolebrooke View Post
    They never were proper Counsellors in the Schools to begin with!
    Most actually are 'proper' Counsellors. The training is a one year full time grad dip and you need to be a qualified teacher with 5 yrs experience to go on the course. Many have masters and also many have completed professional training which entails receiving 100 hrs of personal therapy - and are registered Counsellors who in fact do private work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texal Tom View Post
    Most actually are 'proper' Counsellors. The traing is a one year full time grad dip. Many have masters and also many have completed and are registered Counsellors who in fact do private work.
    That is not a proper qualification for dealing with people with mental health problems

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    Quote Originally Posted by firefly123 View Post
    Only because they were not given the full time hours unless it was a big school.
    They're not fully trained counsellors. They do have some training in counselling but their prime purpose is career guidance.
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    Quinn's comments today are contemptible. The man who cuts counseling services follows up with this. And expects schools already overburdened with bureaucracy to deal with another recording exercise. It's the most cynical exercise of a Minister in years; Reilly has simply ham fisted blundering but Quinn has shown contempt for people listening to him. Resignation matter, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texal Tom View Post
    Most actually are 'proper' Counsellors. The traing is a one year full time grad dip. Many have masters and also many have completed and are registered Counsellors who in fact do private work.
    Some may have but being a qualified counsellor/psychotherapist/psychologist is not necessary to be a guidance counsellor.
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    Is therea link?

    Quinn the revolutionary reformer of the education system . . . .

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