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    The salary pay scale below applies to new teachers as announced in a recent circular from the Department of Education & Skills. No allowances are entitled to the new teacher.

    http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars...l0008_2013.pdf

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    1 € 30,702
    2 € 32,198
    3 € 33,168
    4 € 34,136
    5 € 36,576
    6 € 37,795
    7 € 39,251
    8 € 40,700
    9 € 42,160
    10 € 43,380
    11 € 44,996
    12 € 44,996
    13 € 44,996
    14 € 47,225
    15 € 47,225
    16 € 47,225
    17 € 47,225
    18 € 50,170
    19 € 50,170
    20 € 50,170
    21 € 50,170
    22 € 53,423

    The starting teacher takes up at point 1 on the scale at € 30,702. After 21 years of service the wage increases to €53,423 with no wage increase thereafter for 14 years until a small allowance for teachers with 35 years service (currently €2,091).

    After 20 years of service the teacher will take home a NET wage of approximately €2,400 per month or €28,800 per year.

    Given that the new teacher has their mandatory pension calculated on the basis of AVERAGE CAREER EARNINGS rather than number of years of service/80 and also noting the fact that the new teacher cannot rise on the incremental scale unless they are on a contract of 18 hours or more of teaching per week. . . This represents an appalling deal for new teachers.

    And all with the complicity of the leadership of the ASTI, TUI & INTO . . . . With its introduction from the champagne socialists in the Labour Party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    The salary pay scale below applies to new teachers as announced in a recent circular from the Department of Education & Skills. No allowances are entitled to the new teacher.

    http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars...l0008_2013.pdf

    Page 6

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    1 € 30,702
    2 € 32,198
    3 € 33,168
    4 € 34,136
    5 € 36,576
    6 € 37,795
    7 € 39,251
    8 € 40,700
    9 € 42,160
    10 € 43,380
    11 € 44,996
    12 € 44,996
    13 € 44,996
    14 € 47,225
    15 € 47,225
    16 € 47,225
    17 € 47,225
    18 € 50,170
    19 € 50,170
    20 € 50,170
    21 € 50,170
    22 € 53,423

    The starting teacher takes up at point 1 on the scale at € 30,702. After 21 years of service the wage increases to €53,423 with no wage increase thereafter for 14 years until a small allowance for teachers with 35 years service (currently €2,091).

    After 20 years of service the teacher will take home a NET wage of approximately €2,400 per month or €28,800 per year.

    Given that the new teacher has their mandatory pension calculated on the basis of AVERAGE CAREER EARNINGS rather than number of years of service/80 and also noting the fact that the new teacher cannot rise on the incremental scale unless they are on a contract of 18 hours or more of teaching per week. . . This represents an appalling deal for new teachers.

    And all with the complicity of the leadership of the ASTI, TUI & INTO . . . . With its introduction from the champagne socialists in the Labour Party.
    What's ridiculous is that the current pigs at the trough aren't all forced onto this contract.
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    Why does the pay automatically rise as the years advance? (In my experience the best teachers were those who were 5-10 years post qualification - not those 15 years plus). Can an objective basis for pay rises not be found? (eg one which excludes bias by principal/parents but makes allowances for continuing development, extra-curricula activities, academic results, attendance, punctuality, school-yard supervision, breakfast club participation).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Con Gallagher View Post
    Why does the pay automatically rise as the years advance?
    After ten years pay increases three times over the next 12

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    After ten years pay increases three times over the next 12
    But why? What's the basis for it? Where is the evidence that such pay rises are justified on educational grounds? Why should someone get paid a higher rate for doing the same job (perhaps to the same class) the three years before?

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    Better paid than nursing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    The salary pay scale below applies to new teachers as announced in a recent circular from the Department of Education & Skills. No allowances are entitled to the new teacher.

    http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars...l0008_2013.pdf

    Page 6

    Point
    1 € 30,702
    2 € 32,198
    3 € 33,168
    4 € 34,136
    5 € 36,576
    6 € 37,795
    7 € 39,251
    8 € 40,700
    9 € 42,160
    10 € 43,380
    11 € 44,996
    12 € 44,996
    13 € 44,996
    14 € 47,225
    15 € 47,225
    16 € 47,225
    17 € 47,225
    18 € 50,170
    19 € 50,170
    20 € 50,170
    21 € 50,170
    22 € 53,423

    The starting teacher takes up at point 1 on the scale at € 30,702. After 21 years of service the wage increases to €53,423 with no wage increase thereafter for 14 years until a small allowance for teachers with 35 years service (currently €2,091).

    After 20 years of service the teacher will take home a NET wage of approximately €2,400 per month or €28,800 per year.

    Given that the new teacher has their mandatory pension calculated on the basis of AVERAGE CAREER EARNINGS rather than number of years of service/80 and also noting the fact that the new teacher cannot rise on the incremental scale unless they are on a contract of 18 hours or more of teaching per week. . . This represents an appalling deal for new teachers.

    And all with the complicity of the leadership of the ASTI, TUI & INTO . . . . With its introduction from the champagne socialists in the Labour Party.

    It looks like they are still above the median starting wage for Irish graduates, at least going by 2010 rates.

    Salaries and benefits for new graduates : gradireland.com

    Starting salaries

    The survey showed that graduate salaries vary greatly both by sector and region. 5.8 per cent of new graduates will earn less than €20,000 in their first year, while 14.5 per cent can make more than €34,000. The median starting salary for a graduate in 2010 was €24,000. This maintains the decrease on salaries from the 2008 peak, where the median graduate salary was in the €26,000– €27,999 bracket. The median graduate salary for Ireland projected for 2011 is €25,000, which is an increase from the predicted figure of €24,000 from 12 months ago. This reflects the fact that while there may be fewer graduate jobs overall, there is still considerable competition amongst leading employers for the cream of the graduate crop.
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    €30k per annum is above both the median and mean annual wages for Ireland. Your evidence shows teachers to be highly paid with progression not being on merit.

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    Get used to it RobertW. The gravy train is starting to slow down - and not before time.
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    As somebody who's stuck living at home in spite of pushing 30, making a few quid book-keeping while I do (more) exams, I must admit - perhaps it's just bitterness on my part - but my heart does not bleed for a (in college three years...) 21-year old to be starting out on that.
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