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    Mentioning the environment is ok, but you can't talk about the elephant in the room of above replacement population growth. I thought only George W. Bush though birth control was evil?

    The young conservationist, daughter of the late "Crocodile Hunter" Steve Irwin, was asked to write 800-1000 words on why she had chosen to devote her life's work to wildlife conservation.

    The piece was supposed to be published in the December issue titled Go Wild Coming Together for Conservation as part of Secretary Clinton's endangered species initiative.


    But after writing exactly 1000 words urging society to address overpopulation, the former first lady's department returned it for final approval with most of it edited out.
    Hillary Clinton tries to silence Bindi Irwin on population growth | News.com.au

    She's completely right too. Overpopulation is leading to famine and resource conflict in areas where there is massive population growth. For example, in sub-saharan Africa the population was 100 million in 1900, 700 million in 2005 and is projected to reach 2 billion before 2050. If poverty is already an issue then that's hardly sustainable? As David Attenborough points out:

    Sir David, who is a patron of the Population Matters, has spoken out before about the “frightening explosion in human numbers” and the need for investment in sex education and other voluntary means of limiting population in developing countries.

    “We keep putting on programmes about famine in Ethiopia; that’s what’s happening. Too many people there. They can’t support themselves — and it’s not an inhuman thing to say. It’s the case. Until humanity manages to sort itself out and get a coordinated view about the planet it’s going to get worse and worse.”
    Making contraception available and educating women should be a priority for aid agencies. Otherwise there will be major resource conflict ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi019 View Post
    Mentioning the environment is ok, but you can't talk about the elephant in the room of above replacement population growth. I thought only George W. Bush though birth control was evil?

    Hillary Clinton tries to silence Bindi Irwin on population growth | News.com.au

    She's completely right too. Overpopulation is leading to famine and resource conflict in areas where there is massive population growth. For example, in sub-saharan Africa the population was 100 million in 1900, 700 million in 2005 and is projected to reach 2 billion before 2050. If poverty is already an issue then that's hardly sustainable? As David Attenborough points out:



    Making contraception available and educating women should be a priority for aid agencies. Otherwise there will be major resource conflict ahead.
    It's a funny one isn't it.

    We also love to bash the Chinese and their one child policy.

    We hate and almost instinctively reject the idea of a "child licence".

    It seems kinda beyond the pale to even suggest we can control who can have how many kids.

    Toughie.

    But you're right, its a massive problem.
    You know what I blame this on the breakdown of? Society. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw39tcyg7So&sns=em

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    Well said. I've said something very similar here about contraception and Ethiopia , and have been labeled a racist because of it.
    If you want to prevent famine a d death in sub Saharan Africa then prevent the next generation or a large percentage thereof.
    The Israelis seem to have an injection that would work perfectly, just call it a vaccination or something.
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    Watching Bill Gates on the Dimbleby lectures tonight and his plan to eradicate polio in India where there are over 27 million births each year ? FFS, this is nuts.

    Fortress Europe is coming and we should wake the hell up, in 2000 BC there were an estimated 27 million humans on this planet, now one Country spews that number out every year.

    Land is relatively cheap in Ireland, we have democracy, oil/gas/wind energy, fish, mild climate, fertile land, no terrorists on the horizon, isolated from massive third world immigration (Bertie is gone) and hugely underpopulated compared to our nearest neighbour.

    Looking at the big picture we should be very, very wary of the E.U.

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    It's an important topic but a difficult topic, and it isn't just in Africa. Even in places where condoms are widely available, population growth is still increasing and some of the statistics are terrifying. China's population growth rate has slowed but statistics show it's still quite high. Well done to the girl on raising the issue - it wasn't right for Hillary's people to censor it. On some level, it just seems like this problem is impossible to control...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franker65 View Post
    It's an important topic but a difficult topic, and it isn't just in Africa. Even in places where condoms are widely available, population growth is still increasing and some of the statistics are terrifying. China's population growth rate has slowed but statistics show it's still quite high. Well done to the girl on raising the issue - it wasn't right for Hillary's people to censor it. On some level, it just seems like this problem is impossible to control...
    Its not such a black and white question. From an economic perspective overpopulation is a local not global problem. We are nowhere near the earth maximum capacity if there even is a maximum capacity. As a conservationist of course I would like a lower world population but dramatic declines in birth rates is creating an enormous social experiment with unforeseen consequences. For instance China's population structure is in a very poor state state. The imbalance between old and young is expected to create serve economic problems. A developed country like Germany can deal with natural population decline through an advanced economy and immigration but whether China could is a very different question. There is other problem whether this is even moral. All too frequency I detect a hint of neo colonialism in population control rhetoric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franker65 View Post
    It's an important topic but a difficult topic, and it isn't just in Africa. Even in places where condoms are widely available, population growth is still increasing and some of the statistics are terrifying. China's population growth rate has slowed but statistics show it's still quite high. Well done to the girl on raising the issue - it wasn't right for Hillary's people to censor it. On some level, it just seems like this problem is impossible to control...
    Well, refusing to even talk about the problem *guarantees* that nothing will be done...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi019 View Post
    Mentioning the environment is ok, but you can't talk about the elephant in the room of above replacement population growth. I thought only George W. Bush though birth control was evil?

    Hillary Clinton tries to silence Bindi Irwin on population growth | News.com.au

    She's completely right too. Overpopulation is leading to famine and resource conflict in areas where there is massive population growth. For example, in sub-saharan Africa the population was 100 million in 1900, 700 million in 2005 and is projected to reach 2 billion before 2050. If poverty is already an issue then that's hardly sustainable? As David Attenborough points out:



    Making contraception available and educating women should be a priority for aid agencies. Otherwise there will be major resource conflict ahead.
    In general, birth-rates are falling world wide. Every UN report confirms that.

    There is good reason for optimism that the world's population may stabilise at about 10 billion by mid-century, and may even drop off after that.

    Main reasons are birth control, better education, and empowerment of women.

    However, there will still be pressure on the world's resources at a time when the climate may be worsening for agriculture, so all is not rosy in the garden.

    Not sure if editing the essay of a 9-year old girl is that big a deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    In general, birth-rates are falling world wide. Every UN report confirms that..
    Problem isn't the world in general, problem is Africa.

    Not much 'birth control, better education, and empowerment of women' going on over there.

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    We Europeans can't allow ourselves to be swamped by population excesses from the Third World.

    If that means mass death of Third Worlders, well, that's unfortunate but we have to secure our own living space.

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