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    Law Society head defends review of his own salary as 'routine' exercise

    Could we have another Irish Medical Organisation style Lotto pension?

    Perhaps the Mayo Solicitors' Bar Association and Southern Law Association will be forceful enough to insist on finding out where their subscriptions are going.

    It seems our friend with the plummy posh accent does not want anyone to find out his salary.

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    More fookin Greed, does it ever end? Radio and TV presenters should ask these guys what they earn before they let them speak, wait a minute! eh, Pat Kenny, Marion Finucane, Joe Duffy ? this place is nuts , people with very average ability on massive wages paid for by people struggling, sounds familiar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by storybud1 View Post
    More fookin Greed, does it ever end? Radio and TV presenters should ask these guys what they earn before they let them speak, wait a minute! eh, Pat Kenny, Marion Finucane, Joe Duffy ? this place is nuts , people with very average ability on massive wages paid for by people struggling, sounds familiar.
    Perhaps the comparison with IMO is unfair without evidence but I think that the salary and pension deals in the Law Society will come under plenty of scrutiny!

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    And it's not even as if the Law Society has been doing a good job of upholding standards in the profession.

    Evey week there's another dodgy solicitor in the dock.

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    1. It's fairly scandalous. I think many practitioners would be even more scathing of the Law Society than members of the public, their dual role of representative and regulator. They really should drop one, the latter, and concentrate on their role as representatives, the same way that organisations representing other careers such as Doctors and Nurses actually bat for their members and their interests.

    2. The Mayo Bar Association deserve credit for being the most outspoken in their criticisms.

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    Watch as posters flock to bemoan a salary that they do not pay and have no actual interest in beyond the desire to whinge.

    Any solicitors on here may well have a legitimate grievance with the pay package, the rest of us really have no standing to decry what a private organisation pays its Director.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    Watch as posters flock to bemoan a salary that they do not pay and have no actual interest in beyond the desire to whinge.

    Any solicitors on here may well have a legitimate grievance with the pay package, the rest of us really have no standing to decry what a private organisation pays its Director.
    Firstly, such organisations in Ireland have a funny habit of accessing public funds. Can you assure us that the Law Society does not in any way attract public funds?

    Secondly such professional bodies are generally concerned front and centre with the public perception of their profession and you would have to admit that the public perception of the law in Ireland is poor and not without cause.

    It doesn't say a lot for an organisation that will quite happily wade into any debate on governance, regulation and the required levels of transparency in society and is otherwise to be found attempting to withhold proper transparency from its membership.
    Whenever understanding exists, accepting or rejecting is unnecessary. (Fundamentals of a Gnostic Education).

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    Quote Originally Posted by LamportsEdge View Post
    Firstly, such organisations in Ireland have a funny habit of accessing public funds. Can you assure us that the Law Society does not in any way attract public funds?
    To the best of my knowledge they don't, and you're clearly not aware that they do either. If you're going to wade into a debate on pay levels in a private organisation, the 'Well, I don't know 100% that they don't get public funding' is pretty weak. If you know that they get public funding, fair enough, but otherwise, let's stick with what we do know, which is that it is a private members organisation.


    Secondly such professional bodies are generally concerned front and centre with the public perception of their profession and you would have to admit that the public perception of the law in Ireland is poor and not without cause.
    Indeed, which might be a very good reason that solicitors are unhappy with it. But this is no different to a poorly performing private company deciding to pay its MD a high salary - i.e. no one's business but the shareholders (or in this case, members).

    It doesn't say a lot for an organisation that will quite happily wade into any debate on governance, regulation and the required levels of transparency in society and is otherwise to be found attempting to withhold proper transparency from its membership.
    Again, a very good reason why its members may want to change things. But again, hardly of relevance to the general public.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidoff View Post
    And it's not even as if the Law Society has been doing a good job of upholding standards in the profession.

    Evey week there's another dodgy solicitor in the dock.
    Somewhat unfair.

    From what I have seen many solicitors (perhaps rightly) live in fear of the Law Society.

    Small time dodgy solicitors are being shaken out of the profession in the same way as other small time operators are being shaken out of other areas of Irish life.

    It is interesting that no big fish (with the exception of the O'Donnell's) have been fried notwithstanding that many deals would have been done by the larger operators in the sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    Watch as posters flock to bemoan a salary that they do not pay and have no actual interest in beyond the desire to whinge.

    Any solicitors on here may well have a legitimate grievance with the pay package, the rest of us really have no standing to decry what a private organisation pays its Director.
    A private organisation-well please tell me why a 'private organisation' is in charge of regulating the legal profession?

    Why does a 'private body' have the ability to restrict the number of individuals qualified to carry out legal services?

    Any body, now or in the future, with such powers of regulation much have complete transparency in order for the public to have confidence.


    If on the other hand the Law Society was to restrict itself to representing members interests you might have some argument but probably very little.
    Huge sums of money are paid to the legal profession both directly from the state and by members of the public.
    Given what went on in the IMO it is entirely reasonable that the public has a right to know what deals are done within such 'private' organisations.

    Also, listeners to our national broadcaster regularly have to listen to the spouted nonsense of defending the indefensible from the Law Society. Defending the stealing of money from clients and failing to deal with such crimes is an outrageous slur on what should be a professional body.

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