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Thread: The McCarthy Report : Should this Government implement it?

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    Default The McCarthy Report : Should this Government implement it?

    http://www.finance.gov.ie/documents/.../bl100vol1.pdf

    McCarthy report delivered in 2009 detailed annual savings totalling €5.3 billion in a 12 month period.
    "On the basis of the Special Group’s consideration of the issues arising in each area, the Group has been able to identify potential expenditure savings of €5.3bn in a full year........."

    Given that there have been 5 austerity budgets, in 2012 Ireland had current government expenditure totalling €49.5 billion and a government budget deficit €15 billion.
    (it could be argued that if the promissory note payment made at 31/3/2012 had been accounted for - the deficit would be €18.1 billion).

    Is it time to implement McCarthy?
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    Yes.

    The Idea that taxation can be taken to provide a lifestyle that cannot be earned in the private sector that funds it is immoral.

    The Idea that any government can establish Quangos as a means of patronage for an elite is immoral.

    The state needs to provide services, not lifestyles.

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    2009 was the time but we should balance things asap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Meldrew View Post
    Yes.

    The Idea that taxation can be taken to provide a lifestyle that cannot be earned in the private sector that funds it is immoral.

    The Idea that any government can establish Quangos as a means of patronage for an elite is immoral.

    The state needs to provide services, not lifestyles.
    Too many interest groups would be affected.
    And then imagine the very idea of redundancies in quangos-goodness me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by birthday View Post
    Too many interest groups would be affected.
    And then imagine the very idea of redundancies in quangos-goodness me!
    What is needed is a frank conversation with the PS. You are VERY lucky to have employment. We need to REDEPLOY you. Many of you will retire. (natural attrition / age profile). You will have the most harmless reorganisation of your work conditions imaginable. Now suck it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Meldrew View Post
    What is needed is a frank conversation with the PS. You are VERY lucky to have employment. We need to REDEPLOY you. Many of you will retire. (natural attrition / age profile). You will have the most harmless reorganisation of your work conditions imaginable. Now suck it up.
    Very few in the PS would be unhappy with that.
    Cry your hardest now, it opens the lungs, washes the countenance, exercises the eyes and softens down the temper. So cry away.

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    An interesting example of how difficult any attempt at implementing any change in this country was shown tonight on RTE. There is a proposal to sell the harvesting rights on Coillte lands. RTE, in the interest of "balance" presented a parade of vested interests opposed to the proposal. Now, I like to walk in some forests during the summer but they were not planted as recreation areas and there are some who question whether the conifer plantations add to the scenery but the fact remains that all taxpayers pay for the upkeep of forests whereas only a small minority use them for recreation. Interestingly, Eamonn Ryan was a proponent of sustainable harvesting of the trees.
    There are too many state resources which are regarded as the personal property of those who benefit directly from them and until the rest of us take possession of what our taxes provide, we will have no change in their use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Bumble View Post
    Very few in the PS would be unhappy with that.
    Yeah right. Remember when they were changing the name of FAS - staff wanted disruption pay, just to change the name on the door!

    Very few in the PS would be HAPPY with changes!

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    No problem with the general thrust of what McCarthy proposed if my memory is correct. What I would like to know is was there a tender for the service he provided and if not why not. How does he continue to just be given work by the Government and does he receive a fee every time he appears on RTE. Just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Meldrew View Post
    What is needed is a frank conversation with the PS. You are VERY lucky to have employment. We need to REDEPLOY you. Many of you will retire. (natural attrition / age profile). You will have the most harmless reorganisation of your work conditions imaginable. Now suck it up.
    Quangos are not public/civil servants.......they do not have jobs for life......but because they are "goodies" that can be given out by the political class, they have been fully protected..............you can't give a buddy a 100k job in the public service over the heads of people who have worked their way up through the ranks, because the unions would never allow it......but you can do what you like with quangos and "special" advisers.

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