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    Politics » Ministers bark but ECB leash still holds

    Interesting piece in the IT. McGee says via anonymous sources that there is concern at the government's lessening desire for reform. It seems the Troika feel we won't make the 3% deficit target. The piece reiterates that the government is making a big deal about debt relief when it is the deficit that should be worked on.............

    Analysis based on the latest staff reports from the Commission and the IMF, as well as from well-placed sources, shows there is real concern that radical Government reforms have slowed down and may even hit the buffers.
    and with Croke Park II on the go the piece says.............

    Then there is the recurrent theme that the public sector pay bill has not been tackled sufficiently; that not enough has been done to tackle the growing problem of long-term unemployed people; and measures to address over-runs, especially in health, have been inadequate.
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    Troika staff have focused to an inordinate extent on the public sector pay bill in recent months. The core argument is that cutting numbers isn’t enough.

    The Commission noted that Irish medical consultants were the highest paid in the EU for their public work, being paid twice the rate in the UK. The IMF noted: “Public pay is elevated in Ireland especially for teachers and medical professionals.”
    It has honed in on medical consultants in particular. One example is of the consultant who described a proposed public salary (€205,000) as ‘Mickey Mouse money’ [six years ago].

    “Some of these guys don’t realise the party is over,” said the source.
    We all know the party is over but for some in the public sector the party goes. It is high time this optical illusion called Croke Park is scrapped and the public sector pay bill is reduced and fast. Likewise with the welfare. Upward only rents, rates, red tape should tackled immediately. For all the guff about this deal it seems the Troika are not impressed and are concerned about the way we are headed.

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    The government are making so much noise about debt relief in Europe because they want to distract from their policy failures and lack of courage at home. They should tone down the megaphone diplomacy and concentrate on reforming the public service and social welfare systems.

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    The current/structural deficit is far more significant than legacy bank debt or promissory notes (which we could digitly burn if we had no deficit). A deficit of 8.2% GDP after five austerity budgets is failure (Haughey closed a deficit of 7.9% to 1.6% GNP in two years). The McCarthy report gathers dust, incremental pay increases have continued for 5 years, children's allowance is still universal, senior politicians/civil servants/librarians pay outstrips the pay of several EU leaders. Ireland needs to get real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by borntorum View Post
    The government are making so much noise about debt relief in Europe because they want to distract from their policy failures and lack of courage at home. They should tone down the megaphone diplomacy and concentrate on reforming the public service and social welfare systems.
    Yep, well put.
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    the silence is deafening and means the establishment is still partying. How many major quangos have been culled in the last 12 months? any reforms in Health, Justice worth mentioning? None! . Doing what you did yeaterday and shaving a few % of salaries is not reform

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    Quote Originally Posted by borntorum View Post
    The government are making so much noise about debt relief in Europe because they want to distract from their policy failures and lack of courage at home. They should tone down the megaphone diplomacy and concentrate on reforming the public service and social welfare systems.
    'Reforming' sounds good. Who doesn't like reform?

    The reality is this is a synonym for 'pay cuts' which is 'austerity'.

    The Irish electorate have no appetite for the 'reform' required. That is why Labour have 37 seats. Because they expressely promised to protect the public sector and social welfare expenditure.

    There's no point the electorate whining about lack of 'reform' when a member of the coalition has a mandate to reject this 'reform'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dylan2010 View Post
    the silence is deafening and means the establishment is still partying. How many major quangos have been culled in the last 12 months? any reforms in Health, Justice worth mentioning? None! . Doing what you did yeaterday and shaving a few % of salaries is not reform
    I'd say you might save 500k a year if you abolished the bad quangos.

    Quango + 'cutting waste/value for money' = waffle.

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    It's like the 1980s all over again. FG & Lab should never be in government together in times of economic crisis.

    Howlin is a joke in public sector reform - only tinkering around the edges

    We need radical reform of the social welfare system which Joan Burton isn't prepared to implement and we can't fix our health service while pay is off the table !

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    Quote Originally Posted by meriwether View Post
    I'd say you might save 500k a year if you abolished the bad quangos.

    Quango + 'cutting waste/value for money' = waffle.
    There are some 700 quangos in this country. We have a population about the size of Manchester's, yet we have a couple of dozen local authorities. We have Junior Ministers whose role is to exist and draw down inflated salaries, Departmental structures and grades from the Victorian era and a Public Service that doesn't understand what the word 'reform' means.

    We could rip out two thirds of the useless, money-wasting quangos tomorrow and nobody would notice except the members themselves.

    500k? How did you arrive at that figure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meriwether View Post
    'Reforming' sounds good. Who doesn't like reform?

    The reality is this is a synonym for 'pay cuts' which is 'austerity'.

    The Irish electorate have no appetite for the 'reform' required. That is why Labour have 37 seats. Because they expressely promised to protect the public sector and social welfare expenditure.

    There's no point the electorate whining about lack of 'reform' when a member of the coalition has a mandate to reject this 'reform'.
    It was Kenny's decision to get into bed with Labour. He could have done a deal with FF instead.

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