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    Default What mechanism can the UK use to renegotiate EU membership?

    I am asking a different question to the previous thread on the UK and the EU. As I understand it the EU is formed on binding international treaties. If the UK is trying to renegotiate terms the whole community is entitled to renegotiate those treaties and we are looking at referenda for years to come. Equally, the membership could take the line that these are signed up to and the only option for the UK is the exit door. What mechanism allows Cameron to think a renegotiation is possible?

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    The same way Greenland left. There is precedent.
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    Maybe Money ?

    The EU is running out of it. And England is the second largest net donor after Germany.

    Will the Brussels nonsense factory issue a decree to grow more money from the magic money tree ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 44percent View Post
    I am asking a different question to the previous thread on the UK and the EU. As I understand it the EU is formed on binding international treaties. If the UK is trying to renegotiate terms the whole community is entitled to renegotiate those treaties and we are looking at referenda for years to come. Equally, the membership could take the line that these are signed up to and the only option for the UK is the exit door. What mechanism allows Cameron to think a renegotiation is possible?
    They could leave tomorrow if they wanted and Cameron could get it past Parliament

    That's not going to happen of course

    But Britain is one of the more powerful members and holds a lot of clout

    There will be some serious horse trading done

    - but the end result will be

    - that Britain will in effect be an Associate member state of the EU
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    I thought this whole 'In or Out' carry on was just political posturing by a PM with an eye to the threat from the UKIP. Does the UK really want to leave the EU?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cabledude View Post
    I thought this whole 'In or Out' carry on was just political posturing by a PM with an eye to the threat from the UKIP. Does the UK really want to leave the EU?
    The government certainly doesn't, the UK public almost certainly does, at this point. As to mechanism, yes, Cameron has to persuade the rest of the members to either reopen the treaties, or to agree a series of derogations/opt-outs for the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cabledude View Post
    I thought this whole 'In or Out' carry on was just political posturing by a PM with an eye to the threat from the UKIP. Does the UK really want to leave the EU?
    Many of them do

    - realistically they are not going to walk out and close the door behind them

    But they will not accept much more from the the Brussels Junta either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post

    The government certainly doesn't, the UK public almost certainly does, at this point. As to mechanism, yes, Cameron has to persuade the rest of the members to either reopen the treaties, or to agree a series of derogations/opt-outs for the UK.
    Ok. So if the treaties are opened, they are opened to all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibis View Post
    The government certainly doesn't, the UK public almost certainly does, at this point. As to mechanism, yes, Cameron has to persuade the rest of the members to either reopen the treaties, or to agree a series of derogations/opt-outs for the UK.
    ... while the popular opinion in some of the other countries is that "Yes, let's start the renegating from that rebate of yours."

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    The UK could threaten to propose Gordon Calamity Brown as an EU Commisar.

    That should bring them to compromise very quickly. Though I suppose the British people would be disgusted, at seeing Mr. Boom&Bust back in power over anything bigger than a henhouse.
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