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    Default Restore traditional nursing, especially the non-university-trained Nurses

    I have spoken with many people working in the Health Care sector, who are concerned that the move to university training has changed the opportunities for those born with a vocational calling who wish to provide the crucial core nursing care. The move driven by unions, to establish nursing more as a profession than a vocational calling has meant some thing has been lost in the process.

    We should restore hospital-based vocational training, to ensure that a high proportion of our nurses have a vocational orientation. Whilst highly educated and higher skilled nurses are now an integral and vital part of the healthcare team, the all-important core nursing skills need to be restored.

    There are certain human elements in nursing that simply cannot be imparted to a nurse through University Training.

    This is becoming particularly important in the area of mental health as well as in other areas of care.

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    Good post. Nursing is about changing bed linen, giving injections and cleaning patients. It seems modern nurses seem to be above all that and these jobs are for someone else. They seem to think they are mini doctors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcolebrooke View Post
    I have spoken with many people working in the Health Care sector, who are concerned that the move to university training has changed the opportunities for those born with a vocational calling who wish to provide the crucial core nursing care. The move driven by unions, to establish nursing more as a profession than a vocational calling has meant some thing has been lost in the process.

    We should restore hospital-based vocational training, to ensure that a high proportion of our nurses have a vocational orientation. Whilst highly educated and higher skilled nurses are now an integral and vital part of the healthcare team, the all-important core nursing skills need to be restored.

    There are certain human elements in nursing that simply cannot be imparted to a nurse through University Training.

    This is becoming particularly important in the area of mental health as well as in other areas of care.
    There may be some validity in your post, but it will not happen. It would be easier to turn back the tide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcolebrooke View Post
    There are certain human elements in nursing that simply cannot be imparted to a nurse through University Training. This is becoming particularly important in the area of mental health as well as in other areas of care.
    I've never read such rubbish in all my life.

    The world has moved on from the 1950s.

    What do you want?. . . Nurses doing a one week FAS course in mental health care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    I've never read such rubbish in all my life.

    The world has moved on from the 1950s.

    What do you want?. . . Nurses doing a one week FAS course in mental health care?
    We have many fine vocationally trained nurses in our Health Service. We need to ensure that we continue to attract a lot of people with a vocational calling to nursing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcolebrooke View Post
    We have many fine vocationally trained nurses in our Health Service. We need to ensure that we continue to attract a lot of people with a vocational calling to nursing.
    What's that got to do with your opening post?

    You're actually claiming that nurses, in some way, don't provide care. Have you any idea what you're talking about?

    Go down to any major hospital. . .walk along the wards and observe their workload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcolebrooke View Post
    I have spoken with many people working in the Health Care sector, who are concerned that the move to university training has changed the opportunities for those born with a vocational calling who wish to provide the crucial core nursing care. The move driven by unions, to establish nursing more as a profession than a vocational calling has meant some thing has been lost in the process.

    We should restore hospital-based vocational training, to ensure that a high proportion of our nurses have a vocational orientation. Whilst highly educated and higher skilled nurses are now an integral and vital part of the healthcare team, the all-important core nursing skills need to be restored.

    There are certain human elements in nursing that simply cannot be imparted to a nurse through University Training.

    This is becoming particularly important in the area of mental health as well as in other areas of care.

    That would make sense if nurses were trained in university alone. They're not - they're trained in a combination of university and hospital placements, so have the opportunity to develop both the hard and soft skills needed.

    But the idea of returning to an era when nurses were basically hpspital cleaners and carers would not be desirable. Patients benefit when those they interact with most, i.e. the nurses, have basic medical training that allows them to (a) perform more of the routine matters that used to be the sole reserve of doctors, and (b) provide genuine and informed information about medical conditions and processes etc.

    And if you imagine that nurses don't change beds or engage in an awful, awful lot of hard graft that you seem to think that university graduates don't do, then you need to actually see a nurse at work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by livingstone View Post
    But the idea of returning to an era when nurses were basically hpspital cleaners and carers would not be desirable. Patients benefit when those they interact with most, i.e. the nurses, have basic medical training that allows them to (a) perform more of the routine matters that used to be the sole reserve of doctors, and (b) provide genuine and informed information about medical conditions and processes etc.

    And if you imagine that nurses don't change beds or engage in an awful, awful lot of hard graft that you seem to think that university graduates don't do, then you need to actually see a nurse at work.
    Precisely. The opening poster does not understand what he's talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertW View Post
    Precisely. The opening poster does not understand what he's talking about.
    You simply don't understand the difference between vocational versus professional nursing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcolebrooke View Post
    You simply don't understand the difference between vocational versus professional nursing.
    In what way is my post, above, wrong?

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