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    Default DPP needs to read 24M before Anglo trial can begin. Really?

    Anglo trial can't proceed until 24 million files are examined - Irish, Business - Independent.ie

    The case seems very straightforward to an outsider. There is nithing hidden about what was done, one would assume the trial would really only have to determine if it was legal. Nobody disputes what happened.

    So would it really take 6 or 8 years to come to trial in a normal country (as opposed to one with a brilliant legal system that is also incidentally bankrupt).

    Never mind all the bull about complexity etc. Why are things supposedly so complicated when it comes to dealing with the rich in court in Ireland.

    Is it time fior emergency legislation to review all FF/PD appointments over between 1997 and 2011? Can an establishment appointed by FF/PDs deal with the crisis caused by that government? I mean judges, senior public servants , all of them.

    Why are we continuing as if it were business as usual. Why is Labour participating in the farce and actually cheerleading for a return to normalcy when nothing has been addressed let alone fixed.

    This state has been raped and the economic rapists are walking free.

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    It has to be proved in court that these are the guilty ones. Due process and all that. We don't do summary executions any more.
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    Like the tribunals they'll stretch them out as long as possible so the crimes sink deeper into the public consciousness but primarily to give the accused time to die happily. Remember, this trial is only set to begin in 2014. I seriously doubt it will and I'd be even more surprised if there's a judgement by 2020. If people think we are going to get justice just think of all the elite that Seanie has in his pocket. Besides, that other member of the elite, the barristers, haven't had a gravy train for a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sic transit View Post
    It has to be proved in court that these are the guilty ones. Due process and all that. We don't do summary executions any more.
    Agreed. Those complaining about delay would be first to complain if someone gets off on a technicality.

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    their going for the avalanche defene bury it under a mountain of paperwork.

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    Total snow job,

    The core documents in this case are as follows,

    - Loan applications from the Quinns and the Maple 10 (I doubt these exist)

    - internal Anglo report for submission to the relevant credit authority seeking approval of the loans, which, given the exposure levels, would be the full Credit Commitee, (these docs probably exist, and would be damn funny to read),

    - the minutes of said Credit Commitee, (if there was one)

    - the legal report from Anglo's own legal team and/or an external firm as to the legality of the transaction, (probably doesn't exist)

    - the Loan offer documentation, (does exist)

    - the share acquisition documentation (has to exist),

    Probably a couple of hundred or so files, but defo no more than 1,000,

    If ye can't make a case with that lot, than you don't have a case,

    All the other bits and pieces are just fluff,

    24 million files, gimme a break, there's not that many files in the entire bank,

    They're just gonna keep dragging this out, in the hope that it might just go away,

    And they certainly won't touch it until the Quinn case is over,

    Totally corrupt justice system!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ribeye View Post
    Total snow job,

    The core documents in this case are as follows,

    - Loan applications from the Quinns and the Maple 10 (I doubt these exist)

    - internal Anglo report for submission to the relevant credit authority seeking approval of the loans, which, given the exposure levels, would be the full Credit Commitee, (these docs probably exist, and would be damn funny to read),

    - the minutes of said Credit Commitee, (if there was one)

    - the legal report from Anglo's own legal team and/or an external firm as to the legality of the transaction, (probably doesn't exist)

    - the Loan offer documentation, (does exist)

    - the share acquisition documentation (has to exist),

    Probably a couple of hundred or so files, but defo no more than 1,000,

    If ye can't make a case with that lot, than you don't have a case,

    All the other bits and pieces are just fluff,

    24 million files, gimme a break, there's not that many files in the entire bank,

    They're just gonna keep dragging this out, in the hope that it might just go away,

    And they certainly won't touch it until the Quinn case is over,

    Totally corrupt justice system!
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftsoc View Post
    Anglo trial can't proceed until 24 million files are examined - Irish, Business - Independent.ie

    The case seems very straightforward to an outsider. There is nithing hidden about what was done, one would assume the trial would really only have to determine if it was legal. Nobody disputes what happened.

    So would it really take 6 or 8 years to come to trial in a normal country (as opposed to one with a brilliant legal system that is also incidentally bankrupt).

    Never mind all the bull about complexity etc. Why are things supposedly so complicated when it comes to dealing with the rich in court in Ireland.

    Is it time fior emergency legislation to review all FF/PD appointments over between 1997 and 2011? Can an establishment appointed by FF/PDs deal with the crisis caused by that government? I mean judges, senior public servants , all of them.

    Why are we continuing as if it were business as usual. Why is Labour participating in the farce and actually cheerleading for a return to normalcy when nothing has been addressed let alone fixed.

    This state has been raped and the economic rapists are walking free.
    Heard this yesterday and immediately thought that they are deliberately burying this case under paper work.
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