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    Default Irish nationalism and Zionism

    Despite the sure knowledge that this will provoke an excrement throwing contest between supporters of Israel and those of the Palestinians, I'm posting this interesting article by Aidan Beatty about the historical links between Irish nationalism and Zionism.

    ‘A long and oddly intertwined history’ – Irish nationalism and Zionism | The Irish Story

    Among other interesting tipbits, it seems De Valera was consulted by leading Zionist activists in the 1930s and advised against the partition of Palestine.

    (Note that I use Zionist here not as a term of abuse but as the title the early 20th century Jewish nationalists gave themselves).
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    I recall reading somewhere that in 1940s New York, the Zionists were close friends of the Irish republican groups. At that time the Zionists were fighting the Britissh.

    I think I read somwhere also that Mr Briscoe arranged training for Jabotinsky in guerilla fighting from IRA veterans while the latter was in Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parentheses View Post
    I recall reading somewhere that in 1940s New York, the Zionists were close friends of the Irish republican groups. At that time the Zionists were fighting the Britissh.

    I think I read somwhere also that Mr Briscoe arranged training for Jabotinsky in guerilla fighting from IRA veterans while the latter was in Ireland.
    Yes. If I'm not mistaken the IRA paper (An Phoblacht? United Irishman?) used to write approvingly of Zionism and the Stern gang tactics in the 1950s. How times change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD66 View Post
    Yes. If I'm not mistaken the IRA paper (An Phoblacht? United Irishman?) used to write approvingly of Zionism and the Stern gang tactics in the 1950s. How times change.
    Of course the Irish Americans and Jews together would have made a very strong voting block to favor US support of Israel in its early days. I'm not sure though to what extent Irish American politicians supported Israel in the early days.

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    Republicans of an older vintage tended to be pro-Zionist and there were contacts between the IRA and the Zionist fighting organisations in the late 1940s. Irish cultural nationalists were also highly impressed by the manner in which Israel revived Hebrew as the vernacular.

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    Zionism is a racist philosophy - a million miles from the inclusive Irish nationalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Levellers View Post
    Zionism is a racist philosophy - a million miles from the inclusive Irish nationalism.
    Ding ding!

    But seriously Zionism was not always like it is now -an adjunct of the Israeli state. It was once a fairly idealistic movement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanie Lemass View Post
    Republicans of an older vintage tended to be pro-Zionist and there were contacts between the IRA and the Zionist fighting organisations in the late 1940s. Irish cultural nationalists were also highly impressed by the manner in which Israel revived Hebrew as the vernacular.
    Interesting how an earlier generation of Irish Jews viewed De Valera -unlike the revisionist Shatter line.

    Today, however the LLK/JNF Jewish National Fund is highly complicit in the oppression of the Palestinians.

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    From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD66 View Post
    Ding ding!

    But seriously Zionism was not always like it is now -an adjunct of the Israeli state. It was once a fairly idealistic movement.

    Like socialism

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    Interesting article, enjoyed it.

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