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Thread: Is regaining sovereignity Labour's priority, as Gilmore keep saying? Surely unemployment is?

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    Default Is regaining sovereignity Labour's priority, as Gilmore keep saying? Surely unemployment is?

    Every time Gilmore is in a corner he returns to the mantra that 'regaining soveregnity is our priority' or 'we were elected to regain sovereignity'. This is always conceded as if it were transparently obvious by his interlocutors -but is it?

    The sovereignity argument is clearly favoured by Labour's spin doctors, because it is the pathway to the TINA - there is no alternative - (invented by Maggie's spin doctors 30 years ago) defence, which closes down all discussion.

    While those of the Republican tradition are exercised by the fear of not being sovereign for the centenary of 1916, why should the Labour prioritise sovereignity before reducing unemployment? Is it a trace of Gilmore's origins in Official Sinn Fein that he cares more about 'Ireland' than its people (Connolly cited his concern for the people over abstract concepts like nationality as the very definition of his socialism).

    When the governement incurs 100 millions in extra debt so as to put its toe in the waters of the market, surely it is putting some abstract national pride before the unemployed? Why suffer higher interest rates and possible instability so as to hasten the regaining of 'sovereignity'?

    Do we really want to be back to the tender mercies of our corrupt and hopelessly incompetent ruling elite? At least the Trioika is rational and has some political constraints on the damage it can inflict. Do we really think a FG or FG dominated government would be better for the unemloyed than the Troika?

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    Unemployment is a lag indicator and is always the last part of an economic recovery.

    Reforms come first. This has been the way in every boom bust cycle.

    Gilmore along with the government must continue on with structural reforms which will allow for job growth in the future.

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    Is gaining fat pensions Labour's priority? Surely unemployment is?

    That would be the more pertinent question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvar88 View Post
    Unemployment is a lag indicator and is always the last part of an economic recovery.

    Reforms come first. This has been the way in every boom bust cycle.

    Gilmore along with the government must continue on with structural reforms which will allow for job growth in the future.
    This. Unless you're going to engage in massive public works pieces (like China or the US in the 40s) then employment follows economic stability and growth, not the other way around.
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    Labour don't care for the unemployed, they have put all eggs in to the PS basket, and hope that it's enough to get half them re elected next time around.

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    Gilmore and the rest of the Stickies would have been eager to hand over Irish soverignty to their pals in the Soviet Union had the Cold War turned out differently. Why should be trust them now?
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    The dail is a parcel of rogues, with kim gilmore minding his pension and adams minding his prostate and spring minding a bank for a grand a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by niall78 View Post
    Is gaining fat pensions Labour's priority? Surely unemployment is?

    That would be the more pertinent question.
    Quote Originally Posted by tigerben View Post
    Labour don't care for the unemployed, they have put all eggs in to the PS basket, and hope that it's enough to get half them re elected next time around.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmcc View Post
    Gilmore and the rest of the Stickies would have been eager to hand over Irish soverignty to their pals in the Soviet Union had the Cold War turned out differently. Why should be trust them now?
    Quote Originally Posted by HYENA View Post
    The dail is a parcel of rogues, with kim gilmore minding his pension and adams minding his prostate and spring minding a bank for a grand a day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marvar88 View Post
    Unemployment is a lag indicator and is always the last part of an economic recovery.

    Reforms come first. This has been the way in every boom bust cycle.

    Gilmore along with the government must continue on with structural reforms which will allow for job growth in the future.
    'Structural reforms' = oppotunistically use the crisis to remove the few rights left to workers.

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