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Thread: Environmental Protection Agency reinventing the wheel on fracking research for natural gas exploration?

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    Default Environmental Protection Agency reinventing the wheel on fracking research for natural gas exploration?

    See last four paragraphs State bans fracking until environmental tests are carried out - National News - Independent.ie

    There is a wealth of scientific research on the environmental impact of fracking,a drilling technique for natural gas that has been used for decades and has come to dominate gas drilling in the past five years.New York state has banned fracking until its own research into fracking is completed.

    It looks as if the Irish Environmental Protection Agency,like New York's, is reinventing the wheel in bureaucratic makework by commissioning start from scratch environmental studies of fracking on Irish sites that look promising for fracking exploration.But it would make more sense if the agency collated the existing research in the US for similar geological formations to Ireland's. That should provide sufficient guidance for EPA's monitoring of drilling operations in Ireland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    See last four paragraphs State bans fracking until environmental tests are carried out - National News - Independent.ie

    There is a wealth of scientific research on the environmental impact of fracking,a drilling technique for natural gas that has been used for decades and has come to dominate gas drilling in the past five years.New York state has banned fracking until its own research into fracking is completed.

    It looks as if the Irish Environmental Protection Agency,like New York's, is reinventing the wheel in bureaucratic makework by commissioning start from scratch environmental studies of fracking on Irish sites that look promising for fracking exploration.But it would make more sense if the agency collated the existing research in the US for similar geological formations to Ireland's. That should provide sufficient guidance for EPA's monitoring of drilling operations in Ireland.
    until some irish polititian finds a way of making a few bob out of the job,no decicisions will be made

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    Would they ever get the fracking finger out, cheaper natural gas soonest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slippy wicket View Post
    Would they ever get the fracking finger out, cheaper natural gas soonest.
    Cheaper for whom?

    Natural gas prices are not determined by the cost of extraction, they are determined by the market.

    If it is so profitable why are most producers losing money?

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    My understanding of the environmental risks from fracking vary with location. What is safe in Montana may not be in Pennsylvania and neither case will be applicable in Leitrim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    See last four paragraphs State bans fracking until environmental tests are carried out - National News - Independent.ie

    There is a wealth of scientific research on the environmental impact of fracking,a drilling technique for natural gas that has been used for decades and has come to dominate gas drilling in the past five years.New York state has banned fracking until its own research into fracking is completed.

    It looks as if the Irish Environmental Protection Agency,like New York's, is reinventing the wheel in bureaucratic makework by commissioning start from scratch environmental studies of fracking on Irish sites that look promising for fracking exploration.But it would make more sense if the agency collated the existing research in the US for similar geological formations to Ireland's. That should provide sufficient guidance for EPA's monitoring of drilling operations in Ireland.
    It seems that it is not the re-invention you are against, but the wheel.

    I agree with using prior data to establish expectations, and maybe shorten the process. But it would be grossly unscientific just to assume Irish conditions duplicated US ones.
    "A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence" - David Hume

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    Quote Originally Posted by owedtojoy View Post
    It seems that it is not the re-invention you are against, but the wheel.

    I agree with using prior data to establish expectations, and maybe shorten the process. But it would be grossly unscientific just to assume Irish conditions duplicated US ones.
    Fracking is not hazardous as demonstrated by the fact that not a single lawsuit for damages has succeeded in litigious US. However,cowboy drillers can cause spills and drilling equipment needs to be modified to contain escape of a small amount of gas into the air at the wellhead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by patslatt View Post
    Fracking is not hazardous as demonstrated by the fact that not a single lawsuit for damages has succeeded in litigious US. However,cowboy drillers can cause spills and drilling equipment needs to be modified to contain escape of a small amount of gas into the air at the wellhead.
    Containing small amounts of gas at the wellhead isnt the issue, gas has to be vented in all drilling operations....

    Better come up with another excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wombat View Post
    My understanding of the environmental risks from fracking vary with location. What is safe in Montana may not be in Pennsylvania and neither case will be applicable in Leitrim.
    I don't know much about it but it is important to understand the impact on water it could have if chemicals were used.
    The world is a very puzzling place. If you're not willing to be puzzled, you just become a replica of someone else's mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james5001 View Post
    I don't know much about it but it is important to understand the impact on water it could have if chemicals were used.
    Well one element that I know of is caustic....

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