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    The Government and HSE are currently trying to recruit nurses into the HSE at 80% of current salaries. While this recruitment drive seems very unfair to me, I would like to make the following point that may make this sort of recruitment more acceptable to the public and potential recruits. I suggest that going forward all Public service/Government recruitment be 80% of current salaries. Why is the Nursing profession been singled out for such cuts? Is it an easy option for the Government as they know most Nurses will not leave patients on trolleys. Time to implement the 20% cut on all new entrants to the PS/Government roles in the spirit of fairness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    The Government and HSE are currently trying to recruit nurses into the HSE at 80% of current salaries. While this recruitment drive seems very unfair to me, I would like to make the following point that may make this sort of recruitment more acceptable to the public and potential recruits. I suggest that going forward all Public service/Government recruitment be 80% of current salaries. Why is the Nursing profession been singled out for such cuts? Is it an easy option for the Government as they know most Nurses will not leave patience on trolleys. Time to implement the 20% cut on all new entrants to the PS/Government roles in the spirit of fairness.
    Why such little steps all the time, stop messing around, call it like it is. Total payroll and pension costs in Public Sector need to be reduced, substantially. 20-30%.
    5 years in this mess and they are still pussyfooting around the place with joke measures. So please dont start a thread with some mini half solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    The Government and HSE are currently trying to recruit nurses into the HSE at 80% of current salaries. While this recruitment drive seems very unfair to me, I would like to make the following point that may make this sort of recruitment more acceptable to the public and potential recruits. I suggest that going forward all Public service/Government recruitment be 80% of current salaries. Why is the Nursing profession been singled out for such cuts? Is it an easy option for the Government as they know most Nurses will not leave patients on trolleys. Time to implement the 20% cut on all new entrants to the PS/Government roles in the spirit of fairness.
    Is everyone being recruited into the public sector not at a lower wage?

    I know teachers are, although maybe not at 80% of current salaries. After that is there really that much recruitment into the public sector at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simo Sepper View Post
    Why such little steps all the time, stop messing around, call it like it is. Total payroll and pension costs in Public Sector need to be reduced, substantially. 20-30%.
    5 years in this mess and they are still pussyfooting around the place with joke measures. So please dont start a thread with some mini half solution.
    Of course You've worked out how much that saves after tax and reduced spending etc? you haven't just plucked it from your ass?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simo Sepper View Post
    Why such little steps all the time, stop messing around, call it like it is. Total payroll and pension costs in Public Sector need to be reduced, substantially. 20-30%.
    5 years in this mess and they are still pussyfooting around the place with joke measures. So please dont start a thread with some mini half solution.
    All public sector salaries should be benchmarked against other EU nations. Nurses in this country are overpaid by EU standards this simply attempts to bring them into line with other EU nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    All public sector salaries should be benchmarked against other EU nations. Nurses in this country are overpaid by EU standards this simply attempts to bring them into line with other EU nations.
    Why just target the Nurses? easy option? Cut every new recruit including TDs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    The Government and HSE are currently trying to recruit nurses into the HSE at 80% of current salaries. While this recruitment drive seems very unfair to me, I would like to make the following point that may make this sort of recruitment more acceptable to the public and potential recruits. I suggest that going forward all Public service/Government recruitment be 80% of current salaries. Why is the Nursing profession been singled out for such cuts? Is it an easy option for the Government as they know most Nurses will not leave patients on trolleys. Time to implement the 20% cut on all new entrants to the PS/Government roles in the spirit of fairness.
    Why is it unfair in the current economic context?

    New entrants will be in a position to buy housing at half the cost or less than the price their colleagues paid, who entered service over the last 15 years.

    Do you really think thet there are not 1000 nurses who will take these jobs to live beside their families, boyfriends, husbands etc?

    Lots of kids inherit houses. Do you think nurses in who are inheriting a home or a farm will not want to take one of these jobs or emigrate instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by realistic1 View Post
    Why just target the Nurses? easy option? Cut every new recruit including TDs.
    Getting good quality TDs needs an attractive salary. Do you think that they are all in it solely for the good of the nation? Couldn't see too many of the current crop embracing SF's "average industrial wage".
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