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    Question FF to oppose abortion legislation?

    In an interview with the "Irish Examiner", Micheal Martin gives every sign of backing the Anti-abortion side eg he is not convinced of need to legislate for X case.

    Is this FF
    > opposing the government for the sake of it?
    > Trying to jump on a bandwagon?
    > Micheal giving in to the redneck wing of the party, already active on West of Ireland councils?

    Martin: Fears of abortion on demand | Irish Examiner
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    Fianna Fáil doing what it does best.

    No surprise.

    No change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thady Quill View Post
    In an interview with the "Irish Examiner", Micheal Martin gives every sign of backing the Anti-abortion side eg he is not convinced of need to legislate for X case.

    Is this FF
    > opposing the government for the sake of it?
    > Trying to jump on a bandwagon?
    > Micheal giving in to the redneck wing of the party, already active on West of Ireland councils?

    Martin: Fears of abortion on demand | Irish Examiner
    I love reading narrow minded twits like you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toland View Post
    Fianna Fáil doing what it does best.

    No surprise.

    No change.
    Thanks Toland. I'm surprised someone as normally blinkered as you would be so generous about FF's stand on human rights. I am greatly reassured by some of Micheal's statements of the last few days.

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    He also opposes the property tax, despite having approved the measure when at Cabinet and promising to implement it in the 2011 FF Manifesto.

    He also opposes the 2012 and 2013 social welfare cuts, despite having promised far worse cuts in 2012 and slightly worse cuts in 2013 in the 2011 Manifesto.

    Some things never change....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thady Quill View Post
    In an interview with the "Irish Examiner", Micheal Martin gives every sign of backing the Anti-abortion side eg he is not convinced of need to legislate for X case.

    Is this FF
    > opposing the government for the sake of it?
    > Trying to jump on a bandwagon?
    > Micheal giving in to the redneck wing of the party, already active on West of Ireland councils?

    Martin: Fears of abortion on demand | Irish Examiner
    All of the above.

    They would be idiots to decide to take their first ever first principled stand on a subject , counter to prevailing conservative culture, and in line with European diktat when they are in opposition.

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    FF always does this. In first divorce ref Charles Haughey spent a dirty weekend in Paris with Terry Keane, and returned here preaching family values.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thady Quill View Post
    In an interview with the "Irish Examiner", Micheal Martin gives every sign of backing the Anti-abortion side eg he is not convinced of need to legislate for X case.

    Is this FF
    > opposing the government for the sake of it?
    > Trying to jump on a bandwagon?
    > Micheal giving in to the redneck wing of the party, already active on West of Ireland councils?

    Martin: Fears of abortion on demand | Irish Examiner
    On past FF performance, probably all three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Meldrew View Post
    All of the above.

    They would be idiots to decide to take their first ever first principled stand on a subject , counter to prevailing conservative culture, and in line with European diktat when they are in opposition.
    They are doing what you suggest. It is not idiocy. It is motivated by a combination of two of the three points listed above, especially Number 3. All other interests will be sacrificed in the name of FF unity, which will be achieved far more easily by caving in to the cavemen than by dragging them into modernity.

    Imo, Number 2 does not not apply. I don't think there is any bandwagon. This can only do them harm.

    And I hope it does so. To the maximum extent.

    But it is not idiocy. By FF logic, there is no choice.

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