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    In the less civilised and barbaric regions of the world we hear of child rape victims receiving the death penalty as in the case of Iran, rather appalling but itís fact.

    But is not the life sentence (without patrol) imposed on this young victim not equally cruel and barbaric and this in a supposedly first country, the USA? The America justice system may have had its controversies, but this case is especially disturbing in that it offends against oneís very own innate sense of common justice and rectitude.

    The 15 year old at the time (1992) having endured years of being raped and systematically abused from the tender age of 4 by a paedophile step father found himself and his accomplice before the court on murder charges. Been let down by the police, schools and social services, there appeared no other recourse open to him other than to dispatch both abusive parents thus putting an end to the horrible abuse.

    The abuse allegations against the step father (who incidentally had a police record) and the dysfunctional and abusive mother counted for nothing when the maximum sentence was handed down, indeed the raising of the abuse factor in court was deemed by the prosecution as a cynical ploy to influence the final verdict, it would also have called into question the failings of the social services in the case.

    If the teenagerís house had been broken into, he would have had the constitutional right to defend himself and his property by blasting the intruder with a shot gun, no questions asked, but as a young abuse victim he had no rights. He either had to suffer the abuse or spend the rest of his life in jail, so oneís got to question that societyís value system and how they can morally justify keeping an unfortunate abuse victim and his hapless accomplice locked up for the rest of their days.
    Thereís something drastically wrong with that society.


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    As regard the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, only the USA and Somalia are the only members that have not ratified it, there are at present 2,500 people serving life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for crimes committed when they were juveniles.

    USA: Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch joint study -- The Rest of Their Lives: Life without Parole for Child Offenders in the U.S. | Amnesty International USA

    A life sentence imposed on a 14 year could result in a jail sentence of 60+ years and such would be considered unduly harsh and cruel treatment in most of the civilised world. Perhaps, incarcerating people is quite a lucrative business in the US and hence takes precedence over any vestige of common justice or even humanity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Muck Savage View Post
    As regard the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, only the USA and Somalia are the only members that have not ratified it, there are at present 2,500 people serving life imprisonment without the possibility of parole for crimes committed when they were juveniles.

    USA: Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch joint study -- The Rest of Their Lives: Life without Parole for Child Offenders in the U.S. | Amnesty International USA

    A life sentence imposed on a 14 year could result in a jail sentence of 60+ years and such would be considered unduly harsh and cruel treatment in most of the civilised world. Perhaps, incarcerating people is quite a lucrative business in the US and hence takes precedence over any vestige of common justice or even humanity?
    That may go some way towards the severity of the sentence but it does not in any explain the decision of the jury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimBuckII View Post
    That may go some way towards the severity of the sentence but it does not in any explain the decision of the jury.
    The jury is simply tasked to reach a verdict; they don’t have control over sentencing policy and not allowed to consider such during deliberations.
    Sentencing is mandatory for certain crimes; even the judge in the Jacob Ind case had no discretion but to impose the mandatory sentence. She conceded however that the sentence was unduly harsh considering the tragic circumstances of the case and the youth of the defendant.
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    This is extremely sad. Life has just given this guy an unrelenting beating from the moment he was conceived.

    That there is no room for discretion or compassion in sentencing in cases such as this says much about the system in operation.

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    Will he be raped in Prison? Hope not.

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    Watched the video and have to say it sounds like very rough justice. Poor guy. How come they didn't try to get him off on insanity/diminished reponsibility?

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    If he started a war in Ir aq he wouldn't do a day in jail...ashamed.

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    The clip below illustrates perfectly what I alluded to in post 2 as regard the corruption of the USA justice system. The sentencing policy has little to do with justice or the rehabilitation of offenders for that matter, itís clearly a money making racket for the vested interests involved. When young people become tangled up in all of this and have their lives ruined itís especially alarming.


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    Does anyone remember this case, in which a father shot in the head and killed his sons kidnapper who was in handcuffs being lead through the airport by cops.
    He got a suspended sentence.

    Father of Kidnapped Son gets Revenge-1984 Remember those moments on TV?-Jeffrey Doucet bites the bullet | Toluna

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