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    Default The Six Day War 1967

    Was the 1967 Arab-Israeli war defensive or offensive? This was the war where Israel conquered the Sinai, West Bank, East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights. What is clear is that the first attack by conventional forces was by the IDF when it attacked the Sinai. In the debate below between Norman Finkelstein (says offensive) and Tom Segev, Finkelstein argues that the American intelligence agencies told Israel that there was no chance Nasser was planning an attack on Israel, and that Israeli intelligence agreed.










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    The terrorist state policy of Anschluss.

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    Contrast this thread with the one on the late Stormin' Norman.

    "Nasty" Iraqis try to regain what they regard as a rogue provice, Kuwait. Consequece? Trillion dollar army to hunt them home.

    "Good" Israelis interpret a biblical myth and invade their neighbours. Consequence? Unlimited military aid to support the occupation.

    Double standards or what?

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    It turned into a phyrric victory as the IDF and Shin Bet have been overstretched by the territories gained and their populations. The subsequent settlement programmes has seen Israel condemned and its population split.
    "Keep firing & don't stop until I tell you" General Tom Barry

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    The Israelis knew that Nassar was not going to attack

    The Crises was over by the time they struck

    They also knew that another Crises would come sooner rather than later

    The Egyptians were bogged down in their own 'Vietnam' at the time - in the Yemen

    Their Army in the Sinai was not up to scratch and dug in defensive positions and could be outflanked

    Their Air Force was weak in AA systems to protect its airbases

    They decided to go for it...

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    The first aggressive acts were by the Egyptians: the blockading of the Straits of Tiran and the Israeli port of Eilat.

    Nasser had also expelled the UNEF force and was issuing all sorts of bellicose statements about wiping out Israel.

    How many countries would have sat on their hands in those circumstances and done nothing? The blockade was in place two and a half weeks before the Israelis took any action.
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    Should add that unlike now the Western Powers and their people were all behind Israel

    - she was seen as the Victim

    The 'dirty Arabs' were seen as loud mouthed cowards

    - who got their comeuppance

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    'Offensive' in the sense of striking first, 'defensive' in the sense that Nasser was sending out blatant signals that something was going to happen, the Israelis read the writing on the wall and took the logical actions.

    The curious thing was how inept the Egyptian response was, which makes one wonder if Nasser was expecting anything at all, but after all the threatening statements from him, the massing of Egyptian forces on the border, and the blockade, one has to wonder if Nasser was bluffing (which got called, badly) or inept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shqiptar View Post
    The first aggressive acts were by the Egyptians: the blockading of the Straits of Tiran and the Israeli port of Eilat.
    Let's not mention the The Lavon Affair, the failed Israeli covert operation, code named Operation Susannah, conducted in Egypt in the Summer of 1954. As part of the false flag operation, a group of Egyptian Jews were recruited by Israeli military intelligence for plans to plant bombs inside Egyptian, American and British-owned targets. The attacks were to be blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, Egyptian Communists, "unspecified malcontents" or "local nationalists" with the aim of creating a climate of sufficient violence and instability to induce the British government to retain its occupying troops in Egypt's Suez Canal zone.

    The Lavon Affair

    Nasser had also expelled the UNEF force and was issuing all sorts of bellicose statements about wiping out Israel.

    How many countries would have sat on their hands in those circumstances and done nothing?
    The blockade was in place two and a half weeks before the Israelis took any action.
    Sounds just like the failed Austrian painter's excuses for invading Czechoslovakia. And maybe the Sky Fairy told the zionists to attack as well ??
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    Interesting the 6 day war caused ructions behind the Iron curtain also.

    There was an influential faction of the communist party of Poland composed of Jewish people. Gomulka the leader of Poland used the 6 day war as an excuse for a purge of these people. The persecution extended and in the end thousands of Jews left Poland. The purge seems to have marked the end of the association between Jews and Polish communism


    As in other countries in Eastern Europe, the roots of the Polish Communist Party go back to 19th century Jewish-led organizations. And as Europe's Communist parties grew after World War I, so did the influence of the Jews within them. Dur ing World War II and Nazi occupation, many Polish Communist Jews fled to Russia for sanctuary—and many returned with the Red Army to hold high military, secret-police and administrative posts. Thus, though there are only 30,000 Jews in Poland today, they are seeded influentially from the Politburo down through the intellectual community and the Polish press.

    After Party Boss Wladyslaw Gomulka's decision to break off diplomatic ties with Israel last June at Moscow's behest, there was a modicum of wry truth in a gibe that quickly made the rounds in Warsaw: Tel Aviv was going to retaliate by withdrawing the Polish government.

    Read more: Poland: The Jewish Question - TIME

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