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    Interesting article here from John O'Donovan on the All For Ireland League - a nationalist party based mainly in Cork.

    The All-for-Ireland League 1909-1918 | The Irish Story

    They split from the IPP due to them being too sectarian and not conciliating the Ulster unionists.

    The IPP especially the Hibernians obliged them by trying to beat them off the streets of Cork in the 1910 elections. There were even shots fired.

    William O'Brien had always maintained that the IPP were too confrontational but puzzlingly enough (to me anyway) they threw in their lot with SF in 1918.
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    The History Ireland Hedge School covered some of these topics recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD66 View Post
    Interesting article here from John O'Donovan on the All For Ireland League - a nationalist party based mainly in Cork.

    The All-for-Ireland League 1909-1918 | The Irish Story

    They split from the IPP due to them being too sectarian and not conciliating the Ulster unionists.

    The IPP especially the Hibernians obliged them by trying to beat them off the streets of Cork in the 1910 elections. There were even shots fired.

    William O'Brien had always maintained that the IPP were too confrontational but puzzlingly enough (to me anyway) they threw in their lot with SF in 1918.



    Why puzzling that they gravitated towards SF?

    IPP and Hibs were clerically dominated and very conservative on all issues. A bit like Cumann na nGaedhael after 1923 where many of them ended up. SF in 1918 attracted radicals from all corners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanie Lemass View Post
    Why puzzling that they gravitated towards SF?

    IPP and Hibs were clerically dominated and very conservative on all issues. A bit like Cumann na nGaedhael after 1923 where many of them ended up. SF in 1918 attracted radicals from all corners.
    Yeah but the AFIL wanted conciliation of landlords, unionists and the British. Hardly central planks of SF policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD66 View Post
    Yeah but the AFIL wanted conciliation of landlords, unionists and the British. Hardly central planks of SF policy.
    Their reasoning, such as it was, was that though they opposed Sinn Féin's policies, the Irish people had given their approbation for a complete break with England at the 1918 election, and, in that light, they saw it as their duty to support the will of the people.

    They had valuable ideas, and an inestimably valuable spirit of tolerance for all, but in reality had little chance faced with the stringent intolerance/idiocy of Carson, who would brook no form of self-governance whatever, and the power hungry IPPers who wanted an Irish parliament less for what it would deliver to the Irish people in regard to self-government than what it would do to sate their thirst for dominion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnD66 View Post
    Interesting article here from John O'Donovan on the All For Ireland League - a nationalist party based mainly in Cork.

    The All-for-Ireland League 1909-1918 | The Irish Story

    They split from the IPP due to them being too sectarian and not conciliating the Ulster unionists.

    The IPP especially the Hibernians obliged them by trying to beat them off the streets of Cork in the 1910 elections. There were even shots fired.

    William O'Brien had always maintained that the IPP were too confrontational but puzzlingly enough (to me anyway) they threw in their lot with SF in 1918.
    It call populism and it what has ruined the country.

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    The Gasworkers Social club in Emmett Place in Cork was in what was known as the " All for Ireland House ". Many's the good session of drink and folk music there. There's now a home furnishings shop on the ground floor there, I think.

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    =thegregster;6210904]It call populism and it what has ruined the country.
    I don't see how, they actually stood aside to the detriment of their own party.

    I think it says more about how much they disliked the IPP and its domineering ways in pre-independence Ireland.

    The AFIL also come up for discussion in this interview on the IPP here.

    Interview: Conor Mulvagh on the Home Rule Party | The Irish Story

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