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    Default Referendum on proposal to abolish Seanad to be held in the Autumn

    Just saw this on www.breaking news.ie.

    Enda Kenny is expecting the country to be able to vote on the proposal to abolish the Seanad in the Autumn.

    It also says that there might be other proposals, for example , lowering the voting age from 18 to 17, to be voted on that day.

    Personally I would like to retain the Seanad, reform it, make it smaller and have Senators directly elected by the people, and give more powers in relation to legislation and the General political operations of the country.

    Oh they would be elected on a four year cycle.

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    Yes Reform is what is needed here

    - not Abolition!

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    For me it's a straightforward case of abolition. We have too many oversized political fora in this small country of ours. IMO the Senate is on we can completely do without. While we're at it we need to reduce the Dail to under 100.

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    We don't need senators. Abolish it.

    Replacing one talking shop with another possibly elected talking shop is not reform. . It's more of the same.

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    The sooner the better. An elected seanad by the people would just be another Dail!

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    There is no actual legal reason why all but the 11 nominees of the taoiseach could not be directly elected by the people. Nowhere in the constitution does it say that only out going senators, TDs and councillors have a vote.

    In any case, few other states our size have bicameral systems and given the cost associated with its upkeep I think it should be scrapped.
    Last edited by Red_93; 26th December 2012 at 02:51 PM. Reason: spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackryan View Post
    The sooner the better. An elected seanad by the people would just be another Dail!
    Not necessarily. If it were elected in a different manner and subject to different procedures it could be quite beneficial to democracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackryan View Post
    The sooner the better. An elected seanad by the people would just be another Dail!
    Would it though, especially if it used a different voting system such as a list system or the likes? Personally I feel that robust reform may allow us to overcome the mediocrity found in the Dáil - especially if Seanad Éireann was given meaningful power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McDave View Post
    For me it's a straightforward case of abolition. We have too many oversized political fora in this small country of ours. IMO the Senate is on we can completely do without. While we're at it we need to reduce the Dail to under 100.
    I would agree with the Dail being reduced to about 96, democracy would be better served with 1 senator per county with major cities also having one.

    That would be a massive reduction in politicians, and provide a counter balance to the Dail.

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    Retrograde step. Recyciling is a trendy current buzzword of the current age.

    And the Seanad is a recycling centre for failed TDs after the people decide that they are rubbish.....
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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