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    Ian Cobain's book, Cruel Britannia is an interesting read - provided you've got quite a strong stomach - Cruel Britannia by Ian Cobain - review | Books | The Guardian

    The book catalogues the routine use of torture by British intelligence services in various arenas since the Second World War, & the routine lying by the authorities to cover up the activities of it's agents.

    Personally I don't find the use of torture particularly surprising - it's always been used in wars. What is surprising to me however is the fact that politicians who lie about this (as Jack Straw did in 2005) never,ever pay a political price.

    Could it be the case that the British electorate take torture in war as a 'given', & basically expect their politicians to lie about it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cai View Post
    Ian Cobain's book, Cruel Britannia is an interesting read - provided you've got quite a strong stomach - Cruel Britannia by Ian Cobain - review | Books | The Guardian

    The book catalogues the routine use of torture by British intelligence services in various arenas since the Second World War, & the routine lying by the authorities to cover up the activities of it's agents.

    Personally I don't find the use of torture particularly surprising - it's always been used in wars. What is surprising to me however is the fact that politicians who lie about this (as Jack Straw did in 2005) never,ever pay a political price.

    Could it be the case that the British electorate take torture in war as a 'given', & basically expect their politicians to lie about it?
    Electric shock treatment was used on captured Yemenis in the Aden Insurgency

    Systemic abuse of Republican prisoners in the North was also allowed

    God knows what went on in Iraq...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catalpast View Post
    Electric shock treatment was used on captured Yemenis in the Aden Insurgency

    Systemic abuse of Republican prisoners in the North was also allowed

    God knows what went on in Iraq...
    Well, yes - the book catalogues much of what went on. But is at all a non story from a political. Point of view?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cai View Post
    Ian Cobain's book, Cruel Britannia is an interesting read - provided you've got quite a strong stomach - Cruel Britannia by Ian Cobain - review | Books | The Guardian

    The book catalogues the routine use of torture by British intelligence services in various arenas since the Second World War, & the routine lying by the authorities to cover up the activities of it's agents.

    Personally I don't find the use of torture particularly surprising - it's always been used in wars. What is surprising to me however is the fact that politicians who lie about this (as Jack Straw did in 2005) never,ever pay a political price.

    Could it be the case that the British electorate take torture in war as a 'given', & basically expect their politicians to lie about it?
    They are brainwashed and lied to - but ultimately most don't care. British tradition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by picador View Post
    They are brainwashed and lied to - but ultimately most don't care. British tradition.
    Yes - a brainwashed and lied-to populace who don't care about same is an entirely British tradition, quite unknown in any other country in the world.

    Brexit? Never heard of it mate...

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    is blowing up innocent people a form of irish torture......my children were very close to one such incident.....

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    Are there any countries who have been involved in wars or counter insurgencies that haven't used torture or killed their unarmed foes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blokesbloke View Post
    Yes - a brainwashed and lied-to populace who don't care about same is an entirely British tradition, quite unknown in any other country in the world.

    But no one is saying that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mahrud View Post
    Are there any countries who have been involved in wars or counter insurgencies that haven't used torture or killed their unarmed foes ?
    Dunno - I can 't see what it's got. To do with the thread.

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