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    Newstalk - Gardai lose sensitive files on handgun owners

    Unfortunately the SBP article is behind a paywall, so no point in linking to that.
    As a gun owner, I must say that stories like this concern me greatly. The last thing any of us want is to have some scum arrive out to steal firearms.
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    What concerns me is the constant reporting of the police force of the Republic of Ireland and their apparently pathological ability to 'lose' files.

    Firstly, I would like an explanation as to why the Gardai appear in the 21st century to only have paper files considering it is a long time now since computers and servers first landed on Ireland's shores.

    Secondly I would like to know whether the Garda Siochana have thought of applying for an EU grant in recognition of their remarkable abilities with filing of reports and the sheer amount they manage to regretfully lose. They could be in line for an award in innovation in policework globally- either that or the Turner Prize for a piece of installation art consisting of a filing cabinet with nothing in it marked 'Stalwartrecordkeeping'.

    They are nothing but a Lilliputian, thoroughly dishonest and disreputable shambles of a loose description of police force if they expect to be believed on the subject of the loss of paperwork at this point in European digital history.

    Only a peasant police force would expect to get away without being ridiculed for their blatant dishonesty with regard to the loss of inconvenient paperwork. They are a joke in governance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LamportsEdge View Post
    What concerns me is the constant reporting of the police force of the Republic of Ireland and their apparently pathological ability to 'lose' files.

    Firstly, I would like an explanation as to why the Gardai appear in the 21st century to only have paper files considering it is a long time now since computers and servers first landed on Ireland's shores.

    Secondly I would like to know whether the Garda Siochana have thought of applying for an EU grant in recognition of their remarkable abilities with filing of reports and the sheer amount they manage to regretfully lose. They could be in line for an award in innovation in policework globally- either that or the Turner Prize for a piece of installation art consisting of a filing cabinet with nothing in it marked 'Stalwartrecordkeeping'.

    They are nothing but a Lilliputian, thoroughly dishonest and disreputable shambles of a loose description of police force if they expect to be believed on the subject of the loss of paperwork at this point in European digital history.

    Only a peasant police force would expect to get away without being ridiculed for their blatant dishonesty with regard to the loss of inconvenient paperwork. They are a joke in governance.
    Very good points there, they even have a habit of 'losing' applications pending with them.
    Especially with the switch over to the new firearms licencing system, a lot of people had forms mislaid. There was no accountability or no responsibility taken for any problems as a result of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LamportsEdge View Post
    What concerns me is the constant reporting of the police force of the Republic of Ireland and their apparently pathological ability to 'lose' files.

    Firstly, I would like an explanation as to why the Gardai appear in the 21st century to only have paper files considering it is a long time now since computers and servers first landed on Ireland's shores.

    Secondly I would like to know whether the Garda Siochana have thought of applying for an EU grant in recognition of their remarkable abilities with filing of reports and the sheer amount they manage to regretfully lose. They could be in line for an award in innovation in policework globally- either that or the Turner Prize for a piece of installation art consisting of a filing cabinet with nothing in it marked 'Stalwartrecordkeeping'.

    They are nothing but a Lilliputian, thoroughly dishonest and disreputable shambles of a loose description of police force if they expect to be believed on the subject of the loss of paperwork at this point in European digital history.

    Only a peasant police force would expect to get away without being ridiculed for their blatant dishonesty with regard to the loss of inconvenient paperwork. They are a joke in governance.
    Overall, and in comparison with other police forces, my experiences of the average Guard/detective has been very positive. Perhaps the system is a mess but we are very lucky with the vast majority of the personnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LamportsEdge View Post
    What concerns me is the constant reporting of the police force of the Republic of Ireland and their apparently pathological ability to 'lose' files.

    Firstly, I would like an explanation as to why the Gardai appear in the 21st century to only have paper files considering it is a long time now since computers and servers first landed on Ireland's shores.

    Secondly I would like to know whether the Garda Siochana have thought of applying for an EU grant in recognition of their remarkable abilities with filing of reports and the sheer amount they manage to regretfully lose. They could be in line for an award in innovation in policework globally- either that or the Turner Prize for a piece of installation art consisting of a filing cabinet with nothing in it marked 'Stalwartrecordkeeping'.

    They are nothing but a Lilliputian, thoroughly dishonest and disreputable shambles of a loose description of police force if they expect to be believed on the subject of the loss of paperwork at this point in European digital history.

    Only a peasant police force would expect to get away without being ridiculed for their blatant dishonesty with regard to the loss of inconvenient paperwork. They are a joke in governance.
    Do you remember the furore over the PULSE system?

    A system being introduced to make it easier for garda to do their job and what do they do? Go on strike (blue flu) and the government capitulated. Imagine owning an IT company and your employees threaten to go on strike because you're introducing e-mail.
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    loosing files is something any public servant is good at doing, just look at the Health board how many times have they been pulled up at this.
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    We're these individuals files lost across a number of stations or one large file or box of files, it's difficult to understand from that article?

    Either way doesn't rely surprise me, the one thing I do know is that gardai havmt a notion about firearms, and there is such a variation in the way guidelines are applied from station to station.

    My last firearms application consisted of about 40 pages of useless documentation, towing and frying and bending over backwards for a super who had absolutely no clue about firearms.

    Same super insisted a friend of mine get a letter from his doctor to say he needed a silencwr/moderator to protect his hearing, and when he got it, the super refused the silencer! Imagine that, asking a member of the public to got to his doctor spend 50 EURO to get a letter and then literally throwing it in the bi!

    And, wait for this one.... Every single firearms licence is a printed document with your name and address on it!! Which you must carry with you at all times with your firearm. I How secure is that eh!!
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    The Data Protection Commission has confirmed it received a number of complaints regarding the loss of the data at a number of Garda stations around the country.
    why we people complaining? was it making it difficult to register or renew licenses for guns, were the police accusing people having unregistered guns when they had registered them and the police had lost the files?

    could these files have been stolen by gangs looking for guns
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    Quote Originally Posted by wexfordman View Post
    We're these individuals files lost across a number of stations or one large file or box of files, it's difficult to understand from that article?

    Either way doesn't rely surprise me, the one thing I do know is that gardai havmt a notion about firearms, and there is such a variation in the way guidelines are applied from station to station.

    .. Every single firearms licence is a printed document with your name and address on it!! Which you must carry with you at all times with your firearm. I How secure is that eh!!
    No! the Garda writes it out with a pencil on a sheet of paper. If he used his rubber to erase the previous document(s) that would save on stationery costs and would explain all the missing files except one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lostexpectation View Post
    why we people complaining? was it making it difficult to register or renew licenses for guns, were the police accusing people having unregistered guns when they had registered them and the police had lost the files?

    could these files have been stolen by gangs looking for guns

    Perhaps it's a tactic to get the gardai to get their arses in gear. Lost paperwork would be a regular excuse for delayed firearms application processing which is supposed to take no more than 3 months. I would imaging the data commissioner on their cases might limit the number of times this excuse is used in the future.

    If that's the case, then it's a good tactic.
    The true "front line workers" are the private sector paye employees who are first to take the bullet. Cannon fodder for their state and the public sector.

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