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    Perhaps overly fair! I think on balance it has been with few exceptions obviously his vist to the German embassy after Hitler's suicide to offer condolences (He detested the American representative here) and that he stayed in power far to long are some of the main justifiable criticisms!
    The man was not brown Mickey McQuaid's lap dog and did not have a sectarian atom in his being.
    He founded the most formidable political party in Europe, which later became the criminal organisation styling itself as Fianna Fail - The Republican party.
    He kept us out of that bit of devilment in Europe between 39-45. he was ultimately the great Free Stater. he was also a Republican, unlikemany Eff Effers who came after him.

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    You don't get the whole writing OP's thing do you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Urko View Post
    Perhaps overly fair! I think on balance it has been with few exceptions obviously his vist to the German embassy after Hitler's suicide to offer condolences (He detested the American representative here) and that he stayed in power far to long are some of the main justifiable criticisms!
    The man was not brown Mickey McQuaid's lap dog and did not have a sectarian atom in his being.
    He founded the most formidable political party in Europe, which later became the criminal organisation styling itself as Fianna Fail - The Republican party.
    He kept us out of that bit of devilment in Europe between 39-45. he was ultimately the great Free Stater. he was also a Republican, unlikemany Eff Effers who came after him.
    -He was just being anal about correct diplomatic protocol when Hitler died. Easy to critisise with hindsight, but he was not a Nazi and it is drivel to suggest otherwise.

    -His comment about the dismissed Protestant Librarian was, to my mind, worse than anything Paisley ever said, because there was no reason for it other than utter sectarianism.

    -He founded the GOP of a minor, and politically bizzare European nation. So what?

    -His political longevity says as much about the paucity of his contemporaries as it does about him.

    -A great free Stater, and a Republican? Don tin helmet time!

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    I think that 50 or 100 years from now, whenever Ireland has caught up with the rest of western Europe economically and in terms of social issues, people will see him as the man who kept the country back and impoverished it with his warped romantic philosophies.

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    Worst thing to be said about Dev, in a long list, is that he was an economic nincompoop who did more damage to the emerging State that was thought humanly possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drummed View Post
    You don't get the whole writing OP's thing do you?
    I don't get your point! There are very few if any more significant characters in Irish political history than De Valera and how history views him is very important!! He is more significant (whatever you may think of him) than O'Connell, Parnell, Grattan, Wolfe Tone, the other rising leaders and Collins!

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    De Valera created a monster. A monster that ultimately went on to do more damage and division to this country than any other single thing in the history of the state. How much of that damage can be attributed to de Valera personally is arguable. But nonetheless he masterminded the Fianna Fáil party, and set a large part of the tone of that party through his own beliefs and outlooks. That others after him went on to further destroy this country doesn't take away from his own responsibility.

    Of course there is a balanced argument to be made, but all things considered, it would have been a very good thing if Fianna Fáil, and some of the people who populated it, had never happened at all. This country never managed, in ninety years, to find a cohesive direction for itself, and to grow itself sustainably. Those people who were in power for the larger part of that period of time, bear most of the blame. And de Valera was an architect among them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by General Urko View Post
    I don't get your point! There are very few if any more significant characters in Irish political history than De Valera and how history views him is very important!! He is more significant (whatever you may think of him) than O'Connell, Parnell, Grattan, Wolfe Tone, the other rising leaders and Collins!
    Genuinely, are you drunk?
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    Put that sherry bottle down and off to bed with you !

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    FF is the Republican party and proud of it.

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