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Thread: The Main Catholic Doctrinal Influence On Ireland, Jasenism Was And Is Heretical To Catholic Teaching

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    Default The Main Catholic Doctrinal Influence On Ireland, Jansenism Was And Is Heretical To Catholic Teaching

    The type of extreme/insane Catholicism we were subjected to was Jasenism!
    According to WIKI - Jansenism was a Christian theological movement, primarily in France, that emphasized original sin, human depravity, the necessity of divine grace, and predestination. The movement originated from the posthumously published work of the Dutch theologian Cornelius Jansen, who died in 1638. It was first popularized by Jansen's friend Jean du Vergier, Abbé de Saint-Cyran, and after Saint-Cyran's death in 1643 was led by Antoine Arnauld. Through the 17th and into the 18th centuries, Jansenism was a distinct movement within the Catholic Church. The theological centre of the movement was the Parisian convent of Port-Royal, which was a haven for writers including Saint-Cyran, Arnauld, Pierre Nicole, Blaise Pascal, and Jean Racine.

    Jansenism was opposed by many in the Catholic hierarchy, especially the Jesuits. Although the Jansenists identified themselves only as rigorous followers of Augustinism, Jesuits coined the term "Jansenism" to identify them as having Calvinist affinities.[1] The papal bull Cum occasione, issued by Pope Innocent X in 1653, condemned five cardinal doctrines of Jansenism as heresy — especially the relationship between human free will and efficacious grace, wherein the teachings of Augustine, as presented by the Jansenists, contradicted the teachings of the Jesuit School.[1] Jansenist leaders endeavored to accommodate the pope's pronouncements while retaining their distinctives, and enjoyed a measure of peace in the late 17th century under Pope Clement IX. However, further controversy led to the bull Unigenitus, issued by Pope Clement XI in 1713, which marked the end of Catholic toleration of Jansenist doctrine.

    How did we end up having it forced upon us? Was it through our priests having to be educated in France for the most part?
    As Brown Mickey McQuaid rather famously said in the aftermath of Vatican 2, nothing has changed!
    As a sixteen year old child I was quized by a redneck perverted bitter scumbag of a priest in his 70s in a confession box in Knock about my masterbatory activities. How often do you let the nature flow out of your body? Does there ever be a girl there with you to give you more pleasure out of it?
    My point is that with pure evil tossers like those in abundance, psychosexually damaging children and women, how big a jump was it for many of them to actual do it! NONE at all! This kind of behaviour is indicative of people who are a very real danger to children! And of course according to their own rules, the thought is as bad as the deed, so there you are!
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    There we are indeed.

    (The movement was a minor drama which ceased to have any influence on anybody from the 1700's.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by General Urko View Post
    As a sixteen year old child I was quized by a redneck perverted bitter scumbag of a priest in his 70s in a confession box in Knock about my masterbatory activities. How often do you let the nature flow out of your body? Does there ever be a girl there with you to give you more pleasure out of it?
    This isn't Jansenist. Just sayin'

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    So was Jimmy Saville a Jansenist?

    You met a pervert, not an advocate of a theological position.

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    Jasenism ? Ah for the love of Jasus.

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    If it was suppressed then why was it tolerated by the Vatican in Ireland. I think our real problem was that we identified Catholicism with nationalism. Loyalty to the Church was like a form of patriotism but with no democratic accountability. Given such power the Church inevitably abused it. It has left us in an awful situation. Atheism is all well and good for those who thing everything through but most countries have some kind of spiritual tradition which they can ignore except for those big family occasions. Ours is so flawed and damaged now that its no longer fit for purpose.

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    there was a big Jansenist influence in Maynooth in the 1800s. Shaped much of the attitude of the Irish Catholic church.

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    The Irish church was more rigorist than Jansenist-- a fine distinction, perhaps, but not Jansenism. Rigorist priests would deny or postpone absolution based on what they perceived to be imperfect penitence in those seeking to be shriven. By the 1840s the French rigorist moral theology taught at Maynooth was replaced with the more benign moral theology of St Alphonsus Liguori. The rigorist belief in human depravity remained, but at least people now had the comfort and promise of regular forgiveness of sin, which explains in part why hundreds of thousands of Irish people queued up for confession each week in the latter 19th- 20th centuries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippo222 View Post
    Jasenism ? Ah for the love of Jasus.
    Yeah, haven't you heard of Jason Donovan, He who shall be Worshipped in Perpetituity?
    Last edited by Astral Peaks; 20th December 2012 at 03:12 PM. Reason: spelling
    "Don't need a whore, I don't need no booze, don't need a virgin priest."

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    According to the op 'Jansenism was a Christian theological movement, primarily in France, that emphasized original sin and human depravity'.

    Looking at most of our 'entertainment' industry can we deny that Jansenism had a point?

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