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    December 17th is the anniversary of one of the most significant events in the opposition to totalitarian rule in Central Europe. On December 17th, 1970, a crowd of 20,000 striking shipyard workers and ordinary Szczecinians registered their displeasure at rising food prices, and a massacre of workers in Gdynia earlier in the day, by burning down the headquarters of the local P.Z.P.R. Communist party.

    December ’70 in Szczecin – the Stalingrad of communism in Central Europe | The Szczecinian

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    Images of the revolt set to music:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifor Bach View Post
    December 17th is the anniversary of one of the most significant events in the opposition to totalitarian rule in Central Europe. On December 17th, 1970, a crowd of 20,000 striking shipyard workers and ordinary Szczecinians registered their displeasure at rising food prices, and a massacre of workers in Gdynia earlier in the day, by burning down the headquarters of the local P.Z.P.R. Communist party.

    December ’70 in Szczecin – the Stalingrad of communism in Central Europe | The Szczecinian
    There is a moving monument to the brave workers of 1970 in the Gdansk Shipyard, where 20 000 striking workers were confronted with armed oppression when they tried to protect their pay and conditions. The communists really did not know how to deal with such discontent. They should have followed the capitalist route and simply closed the shipyards down and thrown all the men on to the scrapheap of dole payments, unemployment and emigration. How many people work in the shipyard today?

    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/05/gdan-m29.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    There is a moving monument to the brave workers of 1970 in the Gdansk Shipyard, where 20 000 striking workers were confronted with armed oppression when they tried to protect their pay and conditions. The communists really did not know how to deal with such discontent. They should have followed the capitalist route and simply closed the shipyards down and thrown all the men on to the scrapheap of dole payments, unemployment and emigration. How many people work in the shipyard today?
    Not to mention the Solidarity 'trade union' that emerged a decade later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    There is a moving monument to the brave workers of 1970 in the Gdansk Shipyard, where 20 000 striking workers were confronted with armed oppression when they tried to protect their pay and conditions. The communists really did not know how to deal with such discontent. They should have followed the capitalist route and simply closed the shipyards down and thrown all the men on to the scrapheap of dole payments, unemployment and emigration. How many people work in the shipyard today?

    Poland: Last shipyards in Gdansk threatened with closure - World Socialist Web Site
    So the only options are Stalinist totalitarianism and unbridled, dog-eat-dog capitalism?
    Eagla agus eaglais: an bhfuil an fhréamh teangeolaíochta céanna acu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffc View Post
    There is a moving monument to the brave workers of 1970 in the Gdansk Shipyard, where 20 000 striking workers were confronted with armed oppression when they tried to protect their pay and conditions. The communists really did not know how to deal with such discontent. They should have followed the capitalist route and simply closed the shipyards down and thrown all the men on to the scrapheap of dole payments, unemployment and emigration. How many people work in the shipyard today?

    Poland: Last shipyards in Gdansk threatened with closure - World Socialist Web Site
    None. The shipyard has been closed.

    I've just been to a commemoration of the anniversary. The President of the city and the region were not invited. The local Solidarność (Solidarity) committee said they could not guarantee their safety.

    Present day Solidarity are protesting against massive rent rises in the city. They plan on marching to Szczecin City Hall this afternoon.

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    Poland has had 2 decades of capitalism and the place is now an even bigger sh1thole than under communism. The population of Poland today is actually lower than 20 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honecker View Post
    Poland has had 2 decades of capitalism and the place is now an even bigger sh1thole than under communism. The population of Poland today is actually lower than 20 years ago.
    Probably has something to do with the fact that England has had five centuries of the free market, and wages are higher there.

    The good news is that after New Labour nearly bankrupting Britain, wages in England have been trending below the inflation rate for years, and Poles are returning home to push up population numbers again.
    Coveney's ambition is the be Ireland's next EU Commissar and Ireland will pay a price as he builds his CV to position himself sufficiently loyal to the nEU empire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honecker View Post
    Poland has had 2 decades of capitalism and the place is now an even bigger sh1thole than under communism. The population of Poland today is actually lower than 20 years ago.
    Calm down Eric. We've never had either Communism or Capitalism, and this place is arguably a bigger sh1thole than twenty years ago.

    Less of the old ''post hoc, propter hoc'' silliness. Good man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Analyzer View Post
    Probably has something to do with the fact that the UK had five centuries of the free market, and wages are higher there.
    And not really a deeply embedded democracy either. It takes time. Poland has fabulous possibilities, but we may not see it anytime soon.

    The cynical contempt in which so many of the people hold their political class, it makes our lads look like legends.

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