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    The recent barrage of anti-Israel outrage on the Israel/Gaza conflict from various spokespersons for self-styled pro-Palestinian groups highlights a curious feature of this debate: their absolute silence on the treatment of Palestinians in other Middle Eastern countries.

    From Egypt where they face restrictions on working, owning land, setting up businesses and accessing education to Lebanon where they are denied citizenship and even access to the healthcare system, people of Palestinian origin, including those who themselves or even their parents were born in their host country face levels of discrimination that would draw endless international outrage were it practiced by Israel on its Arab minority.

    Syria used to be the most welcoming of Arab countries for Palestinians. Lately, as the violence between the Assad regime and the insurgents gets steadily more vicious, the Palestinians in the country have increasingly become the target of government forces suspecting them of siding with the rebels. Dozens of people were killed earlier today in attacks by Syrian air force jets on the overwhelmingly Palestinian Yarmouk district of Damascus. It seems a mosque was targeted.

    In early September, in one particularly vile incident, the same district was shelled and stormed by Assad's troops resulting in many civilian casualties. After seizing control, they attacked the al-Basel hospital dragging out patients and arresting them.

    I've checked the IPSC (Irish Palestinian Solidarity Campaign) website. There's not a mention of this. The same goes for the Sadaka website (The Ireland Palestine Alliance) - not a word. I could also point to various left wing parties whose strident condemnations of Israel contrast with rather anodyne expressions of concern on, for example, Syria. Curious - no? Why are the rights of Palestinians in Arab countries of no concern to these groups?

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    1. Syrian planes hit Yarmouk mosque killing dozens | euronews, world news
    2. Syrian troops storm Damascus refugee area, chase rebels | Reuters
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    There is also the fact that Hamas have to all intents and purposes wiped out Fatah in the territory under their control. Fatah established the Solidarity campaigns ironically!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanie Lemass View Post
    There is also the fact that Hamas have to all intents and purposes wiped out Fatah in the territory under their control. Fatah established the Solidarity campaigns ironically!
    I'm not sure if I understand you correctly. The IPSC was (or claims to have been) established years before the brief inter-Palestinian war in the mid-noughties in Gaza in which pro-Fatah forces were routed by Hamas.
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    The original solidarity groups were pro PLO. I don't believe they have said anything about what has happened to their old chums.

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    I think what a lot of people on this site forget is that many people don't have strong feelings about politics or foreign affairs. Many are repulsed by what they hear in the media, but that's about as intellectually involved as they are likely to get.

    This type of story is never reported. This may be because of latent or not so latent anti-semitism, or maybe it justs gets in the way of a good vs. evil story. One rule of thumb that stands the test of time is that everything is more complicated than the media suggest.

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    The root cause of all this is the Occupation and the Nakba. The refugees would not be in neighbouring countries to this extent otherwise.
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    Does anyone want to talk about anti-Palestinian apartheid in the Middle East? Let's talk about Lebanon.

    Anyone of Palestinian origin is barred from:
    - owning property
    - working in public services, schools, hospitals etc.
    - receive medical treatment in public hospitals.......!
    - working in at least 25 professions including law, medicine, and engineering.
    - receiving social security benefits
    - effectively from holding work permits although a law was passed in late 2010 that supposedly allows Palestinians to work. But the process is tortuously slow - perhaps deliberately so - and these work permits are extremely expensive.

    In any case, since Palestinian workers would be required to pay a portion of their wages into a social security that they're barred from benefiting from, many will continue to try their luck in the black economy.

    Meanwhile, Lebanon happily hands out work permits to hundreds of thousands of workers from Africa, Asia and other Arab countries.

    Final note from March 2011.

    Mohammed Nabil Taha, an 11-year-old Palestinian boy, died this week at the entrance to a Lebanese hospital after doctors refused to help him because his family could not afford to pay for medical treatment.

    Ironically, the boy’s death at the entrance to the hospital coincided with Israeli Apartheid Week, a festival of hatred and incitement organized by anti-Israel activists on university campuses in the US, Canada and other countries.

    Can anyone imagine what would have happened if an Israeli hospital had abandoned a boy to die in its parking lot because his father did not have $1,500 to pay for his treatment?
    Where is the outrage over Arab Apartheid?

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/03/wo...anon.html?_r=0
    World Report 2011: Lebanon | Human Rights Watch
    http://www.christianaid.ie/whatwedo/...t-to-work.aspx
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    @Shqiptar.

    Apartheid exists in various forms the world over. We have it here in the form of traveller discrimination and secterianism in NI.

    Arab countries don't have clean hands either. There have been genocidal conflicts on Europe's doorstep in the past two decades. Africa has its own genocidal mini-wars.

    What makes Israel different is its aspiration to be viewed as a developed, western democracy where equality and fairness are part and parcel of its ethos, regardless of race.

    The bulldozers that turn Palestinians' homes to rubble give the lie to that claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shqiptar View Post
    The recent barrage of anti-Israel outrage on the Israel/Gaza conflict from various spokespersons for self-styled pro-Palestinian groups highlights a curious feature of this debate: their absolute silence on the treatment of Palestinians in other Middle Eastern countries.

    From Egypt where they face restrictions on working, owning land, setting up businesses and accessing education to Lebanon where they are denied citizenship and even access to the healthcare system, people of Palestinian origin, including those who themselves or even their parents were born in their host country face levels of discrimination that would draw endless international outrage were it practiced by Israel on its Arab minority.

    Syria used to be the most welcoming of Arab countries for Palestinians. Lately, as the violence between the Assad regime and the insurgents gets steadily more vicious, the Palestinians in the country have increasingly become the target of government forces suspecting them of siding with the rebels. Dozens of people were killed earlier today in attacks by Syrian air force jets on the overwhelmingly Palestinian Yarmouk district of Damascus. It seems a mosque was targeted.

    In early September, in one particularly vile incident, the same district was shelled and stormed by Assad's troops resulting in many civilian casualties. After seizing control, they attacked the al-Basel hospital dragging out patients and arresting them.

    I've checked the IPSC (Irish Palestinian Solidarity Campaign) website. There's not a mention of this. The same goes for the Sadaka website (The Ireland Palestine Alliance) - not a word. I could also point to various left wing parties whose strident condemnations of Israel contrast with rather anodyne expressions of concern on, for example, Syria. Curious - no? Why are the rights of Palestinians in Arab countries of no concern to these groups?

    Sources:
    1. Syrian planes hit Yarmouk mosque killing dozens | euronews, world news
    2. Syrian troops storm Damascus refugee area, chase rebels | Reuters
    Facts that are inconvenient are ignored.

    All political factions of all shades operate that way.

    It is called hypocrisy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hewson View Post
    @Shqiptar.

    Apartheid exists in various forms the world over. We have it here in the form of traveller discrimination and secterianism in NI.

    Arab countries don't have clean hands either. There have been genocidal conflicts on Europe's doorstep in the past two decades. Africa has its own genocidal mini-wars.

    What makes Israel different is its aspiration to be viewed as a developed, western democracy where equality and fairness are part and parcel of its ethos, regardless of race.

    The bulldozers that turn Palestinians' homes to rubble give the lie to that claim.
    I'm not here to imply that the discrimination (and worse) that Palestinians suffer in Arab countries is uniquely bad. I'm here to point out how "pro-Palestinian" groups such as the IPSC and Sadaka show no interest in it. They're only interested if it's instigated by Israel. That's a weird form of "solidarity".
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