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    Default Minister Shatter defends military equipment contracts to Israel

    According to a report in today's Sunday Independent, our Minister for Defence states that Israel are entitled to
    tender and win contracts for equipment for our Defence Forces.

    Shatter won't rule out buying more weapons from Israel - National News - Independent.ie

    An extract from the report in the Sunday Independent states:

    'The Israeli arms industry has done well in securing conracts in Ireland.

    In one of the more recent successes a company based in Haifa, Elbit Systems Ltd, won a multi-million euro contract to supply surveillance equipment for a new fleet of RG-32M armoured vehicles built in South Africa.'

    and then goes on to list several other military linked contracts secured by Israeli companies.

    Shatter stated according to the newspaper 'that central to the procedures was the requirement to allow fair competition between suppliers after tenders are advertised on the e-tenders website or the European Defence Agency's electronic bulletin board.

    "Such tender competitions are open to any individual company or country in accordance with the terms of all UN, OSCE, and EU arms embargos or restrictions. "There are no such restrictions or embargoes in place on Israel or Israeli companies," Mr Shatter said.'

    I personally feel very uncomfortable with this type of reasoning.

    It seems to ignores the fact that Israel 'defence forces' do not apparently have any qualms in using false Irish passports in operations to assassinate their perceived opponents. Is our Minister, for reasons best known to himself, blind to Israel's questionable and highly controversial actions?

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    Redirect your honour,

    We're buying armoured cars for what exactly???

    Defence forces

    Defend us from what,

    The country has already been occupied, again,

    And all the twits in uniform were concerned about was how it might affect their pensions

    Fckn wind up the joke military, total waste of money!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pat View Post
    According to a report in today's Sunday Independent, our Minister for Defence states that Israel are entitled to
    tender and win contracts for equipment for our Defence Forces.

    Shatter won't rule out buying more weapons from Israel - National News - Independent.ie
    If the Israelis make the weapons and equipment our own troops need for the job they do, then why not?

    Israel and Ireland have proud historical links. Both became fully independent of Britain around the same time and both countries fought an armed struggle against British rule. Yitzhak HaLevi Herzog born 1898 in Poland was a native Irish speaker and was the chief Rabbi of the Irish Free State from 1922 to 1936 and he was a fluent Gaelic speaker heavily involved with Sinn Féin. He later became the Ashkenazi Chief Rabbi of the British Mandate of Palestine (1936–1948). His son Chaim who was born in Ireland and educated in Dublin became the 6th President of Israel. His grandson Isaac Herzog is a member of the Knesset.

    It seems to ignores the fact that Israel 'defence forces' do not apparently have any qualms in using false Irish passports in operations to assassinate their perceived opponents. Is our Minister, for reasons best known to himself, blind to Israel's questionable and highly controversial actions?
    Israel killed Mahmoud al-Mabhouh because he was a founder, a commander and a weapons buyer for the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, a terrorist group allied with Hamas. He was killed in Dubai because he was meeting with members of the Al-Quds Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards to obviously arrange for more arms to be supplied to Hamas.
    Ireland would do exactly the same if our country was under attack from terrorists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ribeye View Post
    Redirect your honour,

    We're buying armoured cars for what exactly???

    ...cut...
    The requirement for LTAVs was identified in order to fill a capability gap that existed between soft skinned vehicles and Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs). The need to deploy small groups in command, escort and specialist tasks when threat levels are elevated renders soft skinned vehicles inadequate. Similarly, the size and profile of APCs make them inappropriate for use in certain situations, such as built up areas with narrow streets. Therefore the need for a robust, flexible, multi-role vehicle to complement the existing APC fleet was recognised.

    Peace Support Operations are becoming increasingly complex and present many and varied threats to troops. Force protection was one of the primary considerations in the procurement of the vehicles. The RG32M provides substantial levels of protection from small arms fire, shell fragments, Roadside bombs and landmines, thereby enhancing the protection of our personnel. The vehicle combines speed with tactical versatility. It is lighter than an APC and is therefore more maneuverable and easier to transport by air.

    Training on the LTAV will commence shortly with an initial priority of equipping Ireland's commitment to the EU Nordic Battlegroup of 2011. The Defence Forces will commit 160 personnel to the Battlegroup, which will remain on standby for short-notice deployments around the world from January to July 2011. The Irish contribution comprises an Intelligence Surveillance and Target Acquisition (ISTAR) company and headquarters element.


    Four different variants of the vehicle have been purchased: A Standard variant which incorporates a protected weapons station; An Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) variant fitted with specialist surveillance equipment; A Surveillance and Target Acquisition (STA) variant which incorporates enhanced Fire Control systems and a Communications Information and Signals (CIS) variant which is fitted with advanced communications systems.

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    Odd how the questions on this one didn't go to Paul Kehoe, who is the minister of state with responsibility for defence. For some reason, the meeja pursue Shatter on Israel questions ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Éireann go Brách View Post
    The requirement for LTAVs was identified in order to fill a capability gap that existed between soft skinned vehicles and Armoured Personnel Carriers (APCs). The need to deploy small groups in command, escort and specialist tasks when threat levels are elevated renders soft skinned vehicles inadequate. Similarly, the size and profile of APCs make them inappropriate for use in certain situations, such as built up areas with narrow streets. Therefore the need for a robust, flexible, multi-role vehicle to complement the existing APC fleet was recognised.

    Peace Support Operations are becoming increasingly complex and present many and varied threats to troops. Force protection was one of the primary considerations in the procurement of the vehicles. The RG32M provides substantial levels of protection from small arms fire, shell fragments, Roadside bombs and landmines, thereby enhancing the protection of our personnel. The vehicle combines speed with tactical versatility. It is lighter than an APC and is therefore more maneuverable and easier to transport by air.

    Training on the LTAV will commence shortly with an initial priority of equipping Ireland's commitment to the EU Nordic Battlegroup of 2011. The Defence Forces will commit 160 personnel to the Battlegroup, which will remain on standby for short-notice deployments around the world from January to July 2011. The Irish contribution comprises an Intelligence Surveillance and Target Acquisition (ISTAR) company and headquarters element.


    Four different variants of the vehicle have been purchased: A Standard variant which incorporates a protected weapons station; An Intelligence Surveillance and Reconnaissance (ISR) variant fitted with specialist surveillance equipment; A Surveillance and Target Acquisition (STA) variant which incorporates enhanced Fire Control systems and a Communications Information and Signals (CIS) variant which is fitted with advanced communications systems.
    Whats that, a fckn press release?

    Tks for the info, but how about this question,

    Why the fck are we sending toy soldiers to defend people foreign nations, when our own country is being run from Berlin?

    It's laughable,

    And anyway, a well organised book club could rip the Irish military to shreds!

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    It should be pointed out that unlike so many other Government procurement contracts, no one has been able to criticise recent defence contracts on either cost or effectiveness. In many ways they're a model for what other government departments should be doing.

    I'm not really interested in defending Israel (my own view is that they're their own worst enemies), but the article in the OP correctly stated that there are no UN approved sanctions in place against Israel, so legally we'd be on pretty shakey ground by refusing to buy equipment from them.

    Something that personally annoys me is the for years the Irish military were paying over the odds, by giving preference to the UK and Sweden when sourcing equipment.

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