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    Miriam Lord has a piece in today's Irish Times stating that FF will attempt to block Budget 2013 in Seanad Eireann. They will need the help of some Labour Senators to do so. If they succeed the budget measures will be returned to the Dáil for further debate and amendments. The whole process could take 90 days.

    It's not impossible to believe that many of our esteemed senators may decide to demonstate their "usefulness" to the Irish people by blocking some unpopular budgetary measures.

    The government majority in the Seanad is pretty tight - some of the Taoiseach's nominees have shown an independent streak and many of the Labour Senators have been struggling with their conscience in recent months as they pocketed their salaries and expenses.

    I think there are a couple of points here:-

    -Can we now state that FF's "constructive opposition" has come to an end and we are witnessing the Party's return to form? A delay in implementing Budget 2013 will cause serious damage to the country at a time when the govt may be making progress on legacy bank debt.

    -Perhaps the Taoiseach was naive to choose Seanad nominees from outside the Party. While he did so to prove that a new era in politics had begun it will be embarrassing if some of his nominees contribute to the defeat of a budget.

    -Re-opening Budget 2013 will cause chaos in Government given how difficult it was to cobble the original together. I'm not sure Labour could take the strain.

    -If Labour Senators do vote the budget down then it will prove beyond doubt that Gilmore is not in control of his Party. He should then make way for someone who can or take his party out of government.





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    I thought that the senate didn't deal with budget at all. (I presume they can debate the Social Welfare cuts by Labour bill 2012?)

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    There will be votes on specific budgetary measures next week in the Seanad. If any of those are defeated then the Daily will have to find alternative measures. The Govt doesn't have much leeway here.
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    It would serve Kenny and Gilmore right if it were to be defeated. Imagine appointing among the 11 disciples the likes of the mad Mary Louise O Donnell, Martin McAleesee, Mac Conghail, Zappone etc. Reaching out and new politics may p1ss back on them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eoin Coir View Post
    It would serve Kenny and Gilmore right if it were to be defeated. Imagine appointing among the 11 disciples the likes of the mad Mary Louise O Donnell, Martin McAleesee, Mac Conghail, Zappone etc. Reaching out and new politics may p1ss back on them.
    Part of the long game to show the people what a useless institution it is.

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    What sort of thing would you expect from the ff uckers , no depth that they would plumb in their populist venality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slippy wicket View Post
    What sort of thing would you expect from the ff uckers , no depth that they would plumb in their populist venality.
    FF can't do it on their own. They will need some help from Labour Senators.
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    i bet the Sindo will encourage its own favourite boy John Whelan to vote with FF. May have something to do with Tom Savage & wife thing too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDF View Post
    FF can't do it on their own. They will need some help from Labour Senators.
    True that, and all we can hope is that craven keaveny will be the last labour slug to jump ship over these necessary measures.
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    Excellent move by FF. It shows that there is still an engaged opposition to the worst excess of austerity. If it succeeds it could breath life into the Seanad. If it fails then it just confirms what we already know.
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