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Thread: Why do the (British) media persist the fallacy that the UK is a nation?

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    Default Why do the (British) media persist the fallacy that the UK is a nation?

    It's a given as far as the British media is concerned that Britiain is a nation. But judging from the 2011 census most people - in England & Wales at least see the UK as a collection of nations. Given an opportunity to describe themselves as British, most people in both countries declined to do so.

    Why the rift between media narrative & public opinion?

    In Wales:

    Welsh only ... 57.5%
    Welsh and British only ... 7.1%
    Welsh and any other(s) ... 1.2%
    Welsh in any form ... 65.9%
    Not Welsh ... 34.1%

    British only ... 16.9%
    British and any other(s) ... 9.4%
    British in any form ... 26.3%
    Not British ... 73.7%

    English only ... 11.2%
    English and British only ... 1.5%
    English and any other(s) ... 1.1%
    English in any form ... 13.8%
    Not English ... 86.2%

    In England:

    English only ... 60.4%
    English and British only ... 9.1%
    English and any other(s) ... 0.7%
    English in any form ... 70.1%
    Not English ... 29.9%

    British only ... 19.2%
    British and any other(s) ... 10.1%
    British in any form ... 29.3%
    Not British ... 70.7%

    Welsh only ... 0.6%
    Welsh and British only ... 0.1%
    Welsh and any other(s) ... 0.1%
    Welsh in any form ... 0.8%
    Not Welsh ... 99.2%

    Census 2011, Table KS202EW

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    This will educate all the shinnerbots:
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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    For the same reason people in the Irish media persist with the fallacy that the 26 counties is one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    For the same reason people in the Irish media persist with the fallacy that the 26 counties is one?
    I didn't have you down for one of those, Toxic.
    Boycott the "Irish" Sun rag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toxic avenger View Post
    For the same reason people in the Irish media persist with the fallacy that the 26 counties is one?
    Using the OP's metric, it is.

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    The UK is an invention of English imperialists.

    The union jack is the evidence of this, an abhoration of the national rights of Scotland and Ireland.

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    Most likely it's a race thing. Black people overwhelmingly define themselves as 'British', but not English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. White British define themselves according to their respective 'nations' to differentiate themselves from the ethnic population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eire1976 View Post
    The UK is an invention of English imperialists.

    The union jack is the evidence of this, an abhoration of the national rights of Scotland and Ireland.
    Interesting. But what's an 'abhoration'?

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    Nations more or less exist so long as enough people believe they do and genuinely identify as members.
    Repeal the 27th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifor Bach View Post
    Most likely it's a race thing. Black people overwhelmingly define themselves as 'British', but not English, Scottish, Welsh or Irish. White British define themselves according to their respective 'nations' to differentiate themselves from the ethnic population.
    There's little or no racial difference between the Welsh & English.

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