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    BBC News - Scottish independence: EC's Barroso says new states need 'apply to join EU'

    Manuel Barosso is talking in the context of Scotland and Catalonia, and possibly Flanders, seeking 'independence' from their current States.

    This is significantly different mood-music from the European Commission/EU which has undermined the nation states of europe for years; but also brought in East Germany without any application palaver, and formerly announced that Georgia and Ukraine were welcome merely 'if they met the criteria'.

    Nicola Sturgeon of the Scottish National Party counters that there is no provision for EU citizens (Rem Lisbon Treaty) to be expelled by the Union (ouch!).

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    Ah yes, the Scots. Not to keen on Sturgeon and her FFinished type approach to running an economy.

    But Scotland could be freed from 90% of the UK government debt, and freed from being forced into contributing for cleaning up the mess that has resulted from the ECB Asset bubble. That would be an enormous stroke of good luck. Especially considering that Calamity Brown ramped that debt up to unsustainable levels by bailing out Royal Bank of Scotland.

    And then they have hydrocarbon reserves.

    Lucky lucky b@stards.
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    *Thinks* is there anyway we could form a breakaway state from Ireland, minus say, Cavan, and get ourselves expelled?
    'What is the crime of robbing a bank compared with the crime of founding one?'

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    This is a no-brainer, and a 1st year law student could have told you this.

    Citizens don't sign up to join the EU: member states do. Ergo, if a part of a member state specifically breaks away from that member state and its constitution, and establishes a new sovereign state, then it can no longer be part of the EU.

    The fact that Nicola Sturgeon - a really contemptible shrew, even by SNP standards - has sought to raise this ridiculous "no citizens can be expelled from the EU" line shows the desparate position which the SNP have been brought to on this, courtesy of Alex Salmond's direct lies to the public on the legal advice which he didn't seek on the issue (but said he did).

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    Wouldn't be just up to Barosso would it ? He's playing his Spanish card on the basis that Spain has a good deal to lose if Catalonia goes. He needs to come down from his pedastel !

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    Quote Originally Posted by toconn View Post
    Wouldn't be just up to Barosso would it ?
    No, but surely he is entitled to state the factual position when asked a question?

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    What will Barroso do when all the nations break away?

    Who will pay his fckn wages then?

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    Lucky them. However, it woudn't be a big job to be let in given that one didn't even have to meet the convergence criteria for joining to single currency to be let in. What this is really about is that the EU hates anything to do with local control or national self-determination. Empires don't like uppity locals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Tubbs View Post
    No, but surely he is entitled to state the factual position when asked a question?
    have you ever seen him been challenged by paul murphy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Tubbs View Post
    This is a no-brainer, and a 1st year law student could have told you this.

    Citizens don't sign up to join the EU: member states do. Ergo, if a part of a member state specifically breaks away from that member state and its constitution, and establishes a new sovereign state, then it can no longer be part of the EU.

    The fact that Nicola Sturgeon - a really contemptible shrew, even by SNP standards - has sought to raise this ridiculous "no citizens can be expelled from the EU" line shows the desparate position which the SNP have been brought to on this, courtesy of Alex Salmond's direct lies to the public on the legal advice which he didn't seek on the issue (but said he did).
    When a union of two countries is dissolved, there are two countries created.

    If Scotland becomes a separate state, what is left behind is not thw United Kingdom of Great Britain and NI.

    Great Britain would cease to exist.

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