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Thread: 20%+ live in jobless houses, but analysis ignores root cause

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    Default 20%+ live in jobless houses, but analysis ignores root cause

    I heard this on 6:30am news and then heard the ESRI analyst responsible on MI on way to work.

    She and interviewer ignored the very, very obvious cause of this, despite referring to other countries where unemployment is higher but its impact on households is lower.

    Basically the Irish state funds babies, so whether you're in full employment or have no job prospects it's "okay" to have kids because the tax payer picks up the tab.

    In Ireland way too many kids are being brought up in homes that can't support them, nor ever will be able to. This ESRI report is just another part of the evidence trail that must lead the government to solving the "mystery" of why we have so many criminals, so many ASBOs, so many cradle-to-grave welfare dependents and such a high social welfare tab.

    Over 20% in jobless households - ESRI study - RTÉ News
    The more things change....

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    Are you suggesting public policy move in the direction of the one child family, or institute policies that reward couples that adopt orphans instead of reproducing their own children?

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    I heard the ERSI will be on Mastermind next week..specialised subject will be Stating the Bleeding Obvious !

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    Posted this on another thread this morning good idea to post OP. Disgraceful the government have failed the people of the state. Time for a change.

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    Perhaps it would be better to cap welfare to any one household to fixed amount, disincentivizing larger families.

    It could also be an idea to phase out child benefit, redirecting the funds towards services to directly benefit children.

    I feel it is important to remember that in Ireland today, many people out of the unemployed are actually searching for a job and paid their taxes. It's really important to differentiate between them and cradle to grave welfare dependants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy_337 View Post
    Are you suggesting public policy move in the direction of the one child family, or institute policies that reward couples that adopt orphans instead of reproducing their own children?
    No - I'm suggesting public policy should do more to ensure people can afford the kids they have, and if they can't afford them they should probably be made consider NOT having them.

    I'm thinking back to the night before the budget where a lone parent of two (once being careless, but two???) was worried that the government might "take" some of her CA, dole, rent allowance.

    Now with two kids and NO partner this lady was never going to be able to work, but that never seemed to concern her as long as the state kept a payin'.
    The more things change....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troy_337 View Post
    Are you suggesting public policy move in the direction of the one child family, or institute policies that reward couples that adopt orphans instead of reproducing their own children?
    Probably more along the lines of "if the middle class have to manage their reproduction to align it with their means, then we resent having to fund the consequence free environment of the underclass"

    When over half your salary is funding these people you tend to get a bit miffed.

    If the middle class are "afraid of having too many kids" , then we need to make the underclass afraid of it.

    We need to stop infantalising these people.

    Welfare is a safety net, not a hammock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Druidess View Post
    Perhaps it would be better to cap welfare to any one household to fixed amount, disincentivizing larger families.

    It could also be an idea to phase out child benefit, redirecting the funds towards services to directly benefit children.
    Childcare grants and early childhood education intervention would be huge strides in this direction.

    We have lost the tax credits for having kids, hence bloated kids allowance, but if my two boys had the €3,120 put towards childcare or education (so stay at home mums/dads can benefit) then that would be fair. And would stop the feckless buying slabs of beer with child benefit.

    Education, Education, Education.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy horse 6 View Post
    Posted this on another thread this morning good idea to post OP. Disgraceful the government have failed the people of the state. Time for a change.
    a change to what exactly (and dont forget succesive governments since 1997 when i moved here have failed the people of state - and probably before )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disillusioned democrat View Post
    No - I'm suggesting public policy should do more to ensure people can afford the kids they have, and if they can't afford them they should probably be made consider NOT having them.

    I'm thinking back to the night before the budget where a lone parent of two (once being careless, but two???) was worried that the government might "take" some of her CA, dole, rent allowance.

    Now with two kids and NO partner this lady was never going to be able to work, but that never seemed to concern her as long as the state kept a payin'.
    We could sterilise them, perhaps?
    Put a thief among honest men and they will eventually relieve him of his watch. Flann O'Brien

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