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    Default Is it time for an ordinary homeowners party in this country ?

    Following on from yesterdays piecemeal theft of a little piece of everybody in the countries home, is it time for a party to represent and look after the interests of the majority of owner occupiers in the country.

    http://www.rte.ie/documents/news/local-property-tax.pdf

    Property Tax to be charged at 0.18% of house value - RTÉ News

    .18% charge......4% interest on deferral, 8% interest on default.

    And for what ?

    Local services are non existent outside urban aera's, this is to pay for highly paid administrators, county managers, chief fire officers, senior planners, senior engineers, human resource heads in every council in the land....

    So minister reilly can overrun his budget by €400million and minister burton by €600million.....is it a pissing contest or something.

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    Homeowners?

    Debtholders.
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    Not sure about homeowners but a party representing PAYE workers would be better in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Radix View Post
    Homeowners?

    Debtholders.

    Exactly.....you owe a grand you worry

    You owe 100 grand THEY worry.......

    Now multiply that by the hundreds of thousands of mortgage holders...

    We have a weapon if people decide to get some bottle,stick together and use it...........
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    The 4% tax deferral on the estate of dead people is not legal under EU law. You cannot impose "criminal sanctions" on the deceased, and the leading caselaw is Bendenoun - v - France (12547/86) with AP. MP and JP – v – Switzerland (1997) specifically concerning a deceased taxpayer.

    Revenue has stopped imposing death penalty | What's on | ACCA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franzoni View Post
    Exactly.....you owe a grand you worry

    You owe 100 grand THEY worry.......

    Now multiply that by the hundreds of thousands of mortgage holders...

    We have a weapon if people decide to get some bottle,stick together and use it...........
    You are correct in this. If people really want to block all this they just have to threaten a mortgage strike en-masse.
    Get the numbers and they'll do as they are told.

    No need for marches or protests as they are easily ignored.

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    It was time a long time ago for the people of Ireland to stand up to the politicians. The arrogant attitudes of the Haughey types were well known to all. But the other side just waited for their 'turn' at the trough. They certaintly were'nt going to change the mindset.

    So we have been run by Haughey, Bertie and Cowens for decades and not one single group ever got themselves in order to stand up to the two civil war groups. None worth their salt anyway. A couple of commies, then Connelliests, then socialist party and now we have Labour. Well done us.

    You say a group of 'owner occupiers'. Do you really think we are capable of banding together and agreeing on anything? The unemployed can't organise themselves and there are nearly 500'000 of them. Most will never a chance to work again. Ever. They put no one up for the last election.

    Homeowners United Group, I'd love to see it. But my great grandfather walked in the shadow of Collins / deValera / bertie / Labour so I can't join yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boggle View Post
    You are correct in this. If people really want to block all this they just have to threaten a mortgage strike en-masse.
    Get the numbers and they'll do as they are told.

    No need for marches or protests as they are easily ignored.

    Money is all they care about.......hit them where it hurts ......not some poor sap on guard duty outside the Dail....................
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    Until we get to my Nirvana of having only two taxes, income and VAT with multiple levels of both, then I'm not opposed to property tax in the interim.

    I do think the model they've chosen is complete boll*cks however and that it is wide open to abuse.

    If you accept that all money/wealth eventually ends up in the possession of a person then income tax should be sufficient to tax people's earnings...

    And then you balance that with VAT which would be a user pays type tax... with essentials either VAT free or minimal while you tax things like Ferraris etc. at up to 50%..

    No band of income tax or VAT rate should be above 50% imo...

    And then you abolish all other taxes... including corporation tax which would get up the noses of our so called EU 'partners' nicely...

    Of course there are so many vested interests embedded in the overly complex tax system now (accountants, auditors, solicitors etc. etc.) that I'm sure there'd be huge opposition to this... but f*** them is what I'd say...

    In addition... give a monetary value to all welfare, benefits, perks, allowances etc. and make everyone file an annual tax return and tax everyone who goes above the 'poverty' level... whatever that is in Ireland these days...

    And make all Irish citizens pay tax on their global income like the Yanks do...

    Tax should be simple and transparent, and there's no reason in the world why it cant' be made that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnout View Post
    It was time a long time ago for the people of Ireland to stand up to the politicians. The arrogant attitudes of the Haughey types were well known to all. But the other side just waited for their 'turn' at the trough. They certaintly were'nt going to change the mindset.

    So we have been run by Haughey, Bertie and Cowens for decades and not one single group ever got themselves in order to stand up to the two civil war groups. None worth their salt anyway. A couple of commies, then Connelliests, then socialist party and now we have Labour. Well done us.

    You say a group of 'owner occupiers'. Do you really think we are capable of banding together and agreeing on anything? The unemployed can't organise themselves and there are nearly 500'000 of them. Most will never a chance to work again. Ever. They put no one up for the last election.

    Homeowners United Group, I'd love to see it. But my great grandfather walked in the shadow of Collins / deValera / bertie / Labour so I can't join yours.
    Burnout...with respect your missing the point a bit....

    We never had so many people in debt before especially mortgage debt even in the 80's when the intrest rate went to 14%...

    The banks are on a knife edge....a countrywide mortgage strike by a large number of people who are struggling would have more power than any march ...

    They reckon 600,000 haven't paid the household charge...imaging if they went on mortgage and property tax strike...?
    What the imagination can't conjure, reality delivers with a shrug

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