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    Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, stated yesterday that "we accept the two-state solution" based on 1967 borders. He has also called on the EU to remove Hamas from its list of terrorist-organisations, on which it was placed in 2003.

    Quote Originally Posted by Euobservers
    The Prime Minister of Gaza, Ismail Haniyeh, has appealed to the EU to take his political and militant group, Hamas, off its terrorist register.

    Speaking to a delegation of visiting MEPs and MPs from Poland, Portugal and the UK in Gaza on Sunday (2 December), he said: "It is time to remove the Palestinian resistance from the terrorist list. Hamas is a national liberation movement which operates only inside the borders of Palestine."....The EU designated Hamas as a terrorist entity in 2003 during a suicide bombing campaign in Israel.

    The decision means it cannot meet with EU officials or EU countries' diplomats and that the Palestinian diaspora in Europe is forbidden from sending it money....The EU has three conditions for Hamas to get off the register: to renounce the use of violence, to recognise Israel's right to exist and to abide by international agreements, such as the 1993 Oslo Accord on the creation of a Palestinian state via bilateral talks with Israel.

    Haniyeh on Sunday made some conciliatory remarks.

    He said he accepts a two-state solution based on 1967 borders. "We do not oppose this and we are willing to work for this at this stage," he noted....
    Should the EU accede to Hamas' request, and does this remove Israel's last excuse for not talking to Hamas i.e. that it doesn't accept Israel's existence?
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    It won't matter. This is a conflict that is not meant to be resolved.

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    The answer is self evident no? There are conditions, have they been met?

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    Today, Khaled Meshaal , the Palestinian Leader, visits Gaza. It was Meshaal that the Israelis tried to murder in a botched operation in Jordan and had to provide an antidote to the the poison they used.

    Meshaal has universal admiration amongst the Palestinians and will play a very prominent role from now on.


    http://warincontext.org/2012/11/22/k...erview-on-cnn/

    WIKI EXTRACT:-
    On 25 September 1997, Mashal was the target of an assassination attempt carried out by the Israeli Mossad under orders from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his security cabinet. The assassination was intended as retaliation to the 1997 Mahane Yehuda Market Bombings.

    The Mossad agents waited at the entrance of the Hamas offices in Amman, with the intention of assassinating Khalid Mashal. At the time of the assassination attempt Mashal was considered Hamas' Jordanian branch chief. Two Mossad agents carrying fake Canadian passports entered Jordan, where Mashal was living. As Mashal walked into his office, one of the agents came up from behind and held a device to Mashal's left ear that transmitted a fast-acting poison.[8][9][10]

    However, immediately afterwards, Khalid Mashal's personal chauffeur and a security guard intervened. The chauffeur, who saw what was happening, hit the agent with a newspaper on his hand. The security guard began to chase the agents, and was able to note the license plate number of the car in which they had escaped, and boarded a passing car in order to pursue them. The agents were unaware that they were being followed. After some 300 meters, they stopped their car and left it. The security guard chased them and, with the help of a plainclothes policeman, managed to overpower and apprehend them. The agents were driven by the policeman and the security guard in a taxi to the nearest police station, and placed under arrest.

    Immediately after the incident, Jordan's King Hussein demanded that Benjamin Netanyahu turn over the antidote for the poison.

    At first Netanyahu refused, but as the incident grew in political significance, American President Bill Clinton intervened and compelled Netanyahu to turn over the antidote.[11] The U.S. President Bill Clinton described the Israeli Prime Minister after with the following words: «I can not deal with this man (Netanyahu), He is impossible.


    The Head of the Mossad, Danny Yatom, flew to Jordan, with the Prime Minister's consent, bringing with him an antidote to treat Khalid Mashal.[12]

    Mashal was given the antidote, thus saving his life. In the negotiations subsequently conducted for the release of the agents, an agreement was reached with the Jordanian authorities whereby, in exchange for the release of Shaykh Yasin, the founder and spiritual leader of Hamas, and a number of other prisoners held in Israel, they would release the Israeli agents and allow them to return to Israel.

    After the incident Mashal told Third Way Magazine: "Israeli threats have one of two effects: some people are intimidated, but others become more defiant and determined. I am one of the latter."[13]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, stated yesterday that "we accept the two-state solution" based on 1967 borders. He has also called on the EU to remove Hamas from its list of terrorist-organisations, on which it was placed in 2003.

    Should the EU accede to Hamas' request, and does this remove Israel's last excuse for not talking to Hamas i.e. that it doesn't accept Israel's existence?
    It has said this before. However when the Arabic version was translated they were actually saying that they wanted two states ruled by Sharia in pre-mandate Palestine. I'd rather see Hamas ditch the Koran thumping and commit to being a tolerant, pluralist democratic organisation and then accepting that there are two states in the area which are also democratic, tolerant and pluralist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dame_Enda View Post
    Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh, stated yesterday that "we accept the two-state solution" based on 1967 borders. He has also called on the EU to remove Hamas from its list of terrorist-organisations, on which it was placed in 2003.

    Should the EU accede to Hamas' request, and does this remove Israel's last excuse for not talking to Hamas i.e. that it doesn't accept Israel's existence?
    This is sure to bring a swift and punishing response from Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clanrickard View Post
    I'd rather see Hamas ditch the Koran thumping and commit to being a tolerant, pluralist democratic organisation and then accepting that there are two states in the area which are also democratic, tolerant and pluralist.
    Rather see Hamas do that too. But currently Hamas is a better mirror to Likud than it is to the PA. Isreal is democratic, yes, but under its current leadership, increasingly it cannot be called either pluralist or tolerant. No matter what Hamas says, Isreal has to get to the table with the PA and show some respect for the peace process.

    I suspect Hamas are only making these noises now because they have seen how much more the PA and Abbas have achieved recently through peaeful means. As opposed to Hamas who got a minor tactical result from Isreal by dumping their remaining Iranian rockets on them. And therein lies the vital comparison....

    Abbas got long term rewards from the international community by acting in a peaceful manner. But got punished by Isreal (3000 settle homes and stopping taxes) for doing so. Hamas got some economic sanctions on Gaza lifted by Isreal, for acting violently towards Isreal. So only the PA gets long term punishment. By comparison Isreal is rewarding Hamas for playing to type. The exact type needed to bolsters Likuds version of the truth about the situation Isreal is in.

    A lot is needed from Hamas before they are dropped from any terrorist list. But it has to be apparent to Hamas now that their charter is as much a tool for Isreal hardliners as it is for Hamas itself. Recent events that have involved the PA and Hamas, show that Hamas has to change tack if it is to have a long term future that is useful for Palestinians. Hamas must know that it can no longer allow itself to be used as an excuse to slow progress and that there is no alternative to the 'road map'.

    EDIT: And it has to be said, Palestinian admission to UN, even as just an observer, is a defeat for extremists and those who have supported them, and a triumph for democracy. Those who decried Abbas in the past and praised Hamas have nothing to celebrate unless they are willing to admit they were wrong. Recent GCC support for Hamas, expressed by Qatar, has to be transferred behind the PA, who are showing that between Likud, Hamas and the PA, the PA are the only ones who are willing to deliver just settlement.
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    A reality check from the Israeli ambassador on Fatah and especially Hamas who try to sound fairly moderate in English but show their true colours when speaking Arabic.

    Hamas does not want peace with Israel | Irish Examiner
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    Hamas does not want a two state solution. Not when Moussa Abu Masook, the man most likely to take over from Meshaal, says ”There is no future for a Jewish state. [There] should be maybe a Palestinian state for everybody … Maybe they (Jews) can live among the Palestinians and the Palestinians live with them, this is maybe a solution but I don’t know. After we have accomplished our aim, I guess there is a lot of things we can talk about.” Returning the refugees would make Palestinians the majority, he says. Either Jews could stay and live among them, or they could “return to their countries”.

    Hamas is very clear that a two state solution is not part of its plans
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